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To: EveningStar
There is no need to see a birth certificate from zer0. He is a citizen of the United States. There is no question about that at all. His mother was a citizen when he was born, so he is a citizen.

BUT

He is not a natural-born citizen because one of his parents was a foreign national.

There are three types of American citizen:
1. A United States citizen -- one who is in the country legally.
2. A citizen of the United States -- one who was born on U.S. soil or has one parent who is a citizen or has become naturalized.
3. A natural-born citizen of the United States -- one who was born on U.S. soil to two citizens of the United States, neither of whom owes allegiance to a foreign nation.

According to the Constitution, the president must be a natural-born citizen. zer0 is not, and therefore he is not eligible to be president.

So Annie is right. zer0's citizenship is not in question. I'm just surprised at how many of our leading lights don't seem to know or care what the actual issue is.

Perhaps they know that since the demonrats aren't paying any attention to the rest of the Constitution, they won't care about this little speed bump either.

59 posted on 07/27/2009 11:18:10 AM PDT by TheOldLady (0bama -- Beloved of the Morningstar)
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To: TheOldLady

“According to the Constitution, the president must be a natural-born citizen. zer0 is not, and therefore he is not eligible to be president.”

How do you know that he is not a natural born citizen?


65 posted on 07/27/2009 11:22:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: TheOldLady
I agree with everything you said except this:

"There is no question about that at all. His mother was a citizen when he was born, so he is a citizen."

You see I would argue that without seeing Obama's genuine (to which a forged COLB need not apply) birth certificate....we really have no solid proof that Stanley was Obama's birth mother. She just shows up with him out of the blue as a much older infant. There are no records of her with him as a tiny baby. That she is his biological mother might be inferred through resemblance, etc. but 'family resemblance' would never satisify security checks or passport office, or genealogical societies.

In other words what I'm saying is: Without that certified proved genuine long form birth certificate we really don't know squat, citizen or otherwise. All we really have is Obama's word on it. And its been proven over and over that his word isn't worth much.

85 posted on 07/27/2009 11:44:12 AM PDT by conservativegramma (Palin has my vote: whoever the media hates I love)
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To: TheOldLady
There are three types of American citizen:
1. A United States citizen -- one who is in the country legally.

That would be a Legal resident alien, or a legal visitor of some sort, like someone on a student visa.

2. A citizen of the United States -- one who was born on U.S. soil or has one parent who is a citizen or has become naturalized.

That's actually two categories. If the birth was in the US, then a citizen, but not necessarily a natural born one. And a "naturalized citizen if the person had one Citizen parent who qualified to pass citizenship to the child, and the birth was overseas. Of course there are other, and more common ways to be naturalized.

3. A natural-born citizen of the United States -- one who was born on U.S. soil to two citizens of the United States, neither of whom owes allegiance to a foreign nation.

That is probably the most commonly accepted definition. Except that US Citizens are assumed to not owe any allegiance to any foreign nation. Thus anyone born to two US Citizens on US sovereign territory, is definitely a natural born citizen.

168 posted on 07/27/2009 4:48:53 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TheOldLady
There is no need to see a birth certificate from zer0. He is a citizen of the United States. There is no question about that at all. His mother was a citizen when he was born, so he is a citizen.

That is just not true. If he was born outside the US, with a foreign father and citizen mother not yet 19, which his mother was not unless he was born several months later than the fake COLB shows, he was not even a citizen at birth. In 1961, and into the mid 1980s, a child born abroad of one citizen and one non citizen parent would only be a citizen at birth if the citizen parent had lived in the US for at least 10 years, 5 of which were after their 14th birthday. The law still has that provision, but the times have been shortened to 5 years of resident, 2 of which much be after the 14th birthday. Look it up.

170 posted on 07/27/2009 5:04:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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