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Is the US Economy Close to Hitting Bottom? (The next bust is on its way)
Mises Institute ^ | 7/24/2009 | Frank Shostak

Posted on 07/26/2009 7:16:10 PM PDT by sickoflibs

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To: fso301

RE “makes things seem tolerable through the mid-term elections. “

That is the plan!


21 posted on 07/26/2009 7:52:20 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: JasonC
Unemployment will be falling

Probably, but how far, and for how long?

Link: Meyer Sees No Return to ‘Full’ Employment Until 2015

The stock market will be higher.

Whoop dee doo, Goldman Sachs will make money as they prepare to steal money from us with the crap and trade scam.

22 posted on 07/26/2009 7:55:57 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: sickoflibs
"Is the US Economy Close to Hitting Bottom?"

No, because the problem was caused by globalism. The economy will get better, after we begin to produce again.


23 posted on 07/26/2009 7:56:49 PM PDT by familyop (Randian objectivism: it's all about me, me,...)
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To: JasonC
Now, when I am right and they are wrong, and the economy recovers anyway because that is simply want free capitalist economies do, ...

We don't have a free capitalist economy. And it gets further and further from that with each bill the socialists in DC push forward.

The article and its purveyors pretend the reverse, and I am calling them on it right here, right now. They will be wrong. And one year from today, I want one freeper who believes this crap today, to admit he was wrong when it happens as I predict and not as this article does.

Just as you will admit you were wrong if the economy is worse in one year?
24 posted on 07/26/2009 7:57:27 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: sickoflibs

I have a headache reading all that.

http://craigslol.com/straight-male-seeks-obama-supporter-for-fair-physical-fight-m4m/


25 posted on 07/26/2009 8:01:14 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Yes political conservatives are libertarians. They want to have their rights and eat them too.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

ping


26 posted on 07/26/2009 8:06:15 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: sickoflibs

Monday the Obama administration and China begin talks- namely on currency tensions, the US budget deficit and the massively huge trade gap with China. China, in addition to the hundreds of billions of low-cost, high-labor manufactured goods they?ve come to be known for; are importing 150 Chinese economic officials, in one of the largest visits ever to the United States.

http://www.zerohedge.com/


27 posted on 07/26/2009 8:11:21 PM PDT by katiekins1 (Obama=DickTater N Chief)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; JasonC

The stock market is going up simply because so much money is created is a disincentive for savings, low interest rates just like 2002. Everything else being done now is anti-jobs.

At the gym today an Obama supporter told me that the rising stock market was recovery too. Imagine what dems would say if Bush were president and both the stock market and unemployment were rising.


28 posted on 07/26/2009 8:17:11 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: vetvetdoug
Funny you should mention "Free Lunch." I included that term in a vanity on the economy today.

Cheers!

29 posted on 07/26/2009 8:20:15 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: al baby
I think that the past 6 to 8 months was just the tip of the iceberg a bigger and deeper collapse is coming I predict around the holidays IMHO

I'm thinking you might be right. With the number of unemployed, both those receiving and not receiving benefits, the holidays may end up being a huge bust for retailers. Granted, the retailers don't even remotely understand supply and demand, with their typical increases in revenue year after year.

30 posted on 07/26/2009 8:20:21 PM PDT by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: sickoflibs

Nowhere near. But it is headed that way and when it does the obama worshippers will be crying and bawling to go along with being homeless, jobless, and out of money and food to eat. But that is what they voted for.


31 posted on 07/26/2009 8:21:01 PM PDT by sport
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To: JasonC
when I am right and they are wrong, and the economy recovers anyway because that is simply want free capitalist economies do

What is this "free capitalist economy" you speak of?

Where is it?

I'd like to go there.

The number of new retail vacancies in my area, in just the last month or so, is sobering.

The reduction in retail traffic is stark as well.

32 posted on 07/26/2009 8:24:06 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: JasonC

[will any of these baying idiots shut up about it, or admit they were wrong? ]

I’m just wondering when you will admit you were wrong. We are no longer so capitalistic as we once were and overcoming the monetary, regulatory and tax stress is a severe burden. Those baying idiots were quite correct about the current depression, I suspect taking their heed is much less idiotic than following your lead.


33 posted on 07/26/2009 8:37:21 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: JasonC
i will take you up on your wager here.
i am calling you on your assessment of the situation. this time next year the economy will not be growing. the stock market is an irrelevant indicator to overall economic health however.

i will bet you $1 (paper or silver your choice) that the economy is no better this time next year, but i wont accept random noise amongst indicators as improvement.

signed,
Baying Idiot
34 posted on 07/26/2009 9:01:27 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: sickoflibs

This gives rise to the obvious question: What happens when the next massive shock comes, while we are in such a precarious financial state??

I’m not borrowing trouble nor am I wishing it upon us, but what happens if we get a repeat event of the magnitude of 9/11? It doesn’t have to be another terrorist attack, although another attack that shuts down the airlines for a week or so would do it....

What happens when Iran’s nuclear facilities are leveled by the Israelis?? Iran’s reaction could also be a trigger.

Even another massive hurricane hit on the US would be enough to push some state economies right off the deep end.

What’s scary is that we have no reserves, and in an emergency the only way for the US to raise large sums of cash is by selling more bonds to the Chinese....until they decide to quit buying them....


35 posted on 07/26/2009 9:15:44 PM PDT by Bean Counter ( Shovel ready...)
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To: sickoflibs

National banks like Chase are still closing credit card accounts for no reason other than to try to improve their immediate balance sheets.

Banks and lenders are failing to complete foreclosures because they cannot afford and are not staffed to handle the large number of foreclosures.

Mortgage loans are at a near standstill as the mortgage industry has squeezed good buyers out of the market with draconian loan rules and regulations. New housing starts are dead.

These are hardly a business practices that suggest a stronger economy.


36 posted on 07/26/2009 9:23:10 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: sickoflibs
'Grim Reading' Likely At BP And Shell

BP and Shell, the oil giants, will this week release results that analysts expect to make "grim reading" because of lower global demand for oil."

[snip]

37 posted on 07/26/2009 9:23:40 PM PDT by blam
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

There will not be a recovery PERIOD, until we get rid of Obama, and reverse his policies.


38 posted on 07/26/2009 9:39:20 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

This is a very comforting chart. /s


39 posted on 07/26/2009 9:39:20 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: sickoflibs

I am in agreement with this guy.

I just cannot believe anyone is even thinking of negative interest rates. Talk about a run on the banks.


40 posted on 07/26/2009 9:40:44 PM PDT by GeronL (Guilty of the crime of deviationism.)
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