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To: Former Fetus

The problem with this issue is that it appears to be a trap. A lot of people are running their mouths without the BC.


5 posted on 07/26/2009 1:59:07 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg

Just consider the impact if the October 2010 surprise is the release of the Obami birth certificate and it contains nothing of value to the Republican’s — it could cost the Republican’s dearly in November 2010.

Just consider


10 posted on 07/26/2009 2:12:05 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: Perdogg
"The problem with this issue is that it appears to be a trap."

If you mean being too specific as to what you believe the reason is for the secrecy, I agree.

The one thing that I think can be said is that showing all his records would not only show him to be inelligible to be president, but also likely a criminal.

34 posted on 07/26/2009 2:45:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Perdogg

I don’t have a problem with high-profile GOP leaders walking away from it w/o concrete info. However, we should keep this corrosive buzz going for no other reason that it helps undermine 0bama.


46 posted on 07/26/2009 3:20:16 PM PDT by Lou Budvis (What do we want? 0bama's long-form BC! When do we want it? Now!)
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To: Perdogg
A lot of people are running their mouths without the BC.

Don't know what the BC is, but it is important to know where Obama was born and one of the best objective sources for that information is the birth certificate. And here's why it's important:

Stanley Ann was 18 when she gave birth to Obama in 1961, and whether a person is a U.S. citizen at birth is governed by 8 U.S.C. section 1401, "Nationals and citizens of the United States at birth," legislation enacted by Congress in 1952. (All laws enacted by Congress are published in the United States Code or U.S.C.)

Section 1401 provides:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

The relevant paragraph is found in section 1401(g). People cite paragraph (g) to claim that Obama is a U.S. citizen by birth regardless of where he was born. Stanley Ann, a U.S. citizen and 18 when Obama was born in 1961, met the first requirement by living at least five years in the United States, and she met the second requirement since least two of the five years she had lived in the U.S. before Obama was born were after she turned 14.Under paragraph (g) and this analysis, Obama acquired U.S. citizenship by virtue of his mother's U.S. citizenship regardless of where he was born -- Kenya, Malaysia, it doesn't matter.

However, Congress amended section 1401 in 1986. It amended paragraph (g) by substituting "fives years at least two" for "ten years at least five." Just as importantly, Congress decided that the amendment only applies to persons born on or after November 14, 1986. See Public Law 99-653.

So, under the law in 1961, if Obama was born outside the United States and Stanley Ann was not at least 19 at the time of his birth, he's not a U.S. citizen.

And this is why the answer to the question of where he was born, and thus what it says on his birth certificate, are so important.

47 posted on 07/26/2009 3:25:50 PM PDT by Ahithophel (Padron@Anniversario)
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To: Perdogg

I sense this as well. Ann and Rush aren’t touching it. Rush has teams of people behind him and Ann is/was a lawyer.


54 posted on 07/26/2009 3:55:45 PM PDT by FreeManWhoCan ("Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.")
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