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while pro-Giuliani FAKE religious conservatives were patted on the head and informed that they finally had reached "political adulthood."

Enough bashing of social conservatives who supported Rudy. As a conservative, I supported Rudy knowing full well he was a moderate, because the political climate wasn't friendly to strong conservatives at the time, and he was a good candidate to attract voters alienated with the GOP brand. Rudy was strong on defense issues and was a solid fiscal conservative who turned a dump like New York City around. He is a friend of Israel and an advocate of freedom and capitalism. We were going to run against Hillary or Obama and their socialist agenda was well known to those who supported him, and we needed an articulate candidate who could make the case for our ideology as the best direction for the nation. The ironic thing here is that Rudy didn't have contempt for conservatives. It was in fact social conservatives who had an unyielding contempt for the man and for all those who supported him.

Rudy lost, as conservatives didn't want him, and that's fine. So we got someone the media and the GOP establishment wanted, and we know what happened. I support conservative causes and conservative candidates 100%, but in the absence of a strong, credible conservative leader I had to choose the best GOP candidate available to go against Hillary or Obama. I was right about the negative consequences that came from electing Obama. However, it isn't a vindication, since the stakes are high under Obama's leadership. If you compare Rudy with Obama, the choice is clear that Rudy would be much less harmful and detrimental to our nation and our way of life.

Enough bashing of social conservatives who supported Rudy.

It's never enough. Don't even pretend to tell ME what to do.

As a conservative, I supported Rudy knowing full well he was a moderate, because the political climate wasn't friendly to strong conservatives at the time, and he was a good candidate to attract voters alienated with the GOP brand.

If you supported Rudy, you were by default endorsing his views on infanticide and you were supporting someone that NARAL thought was just dandy for their cause. That isn't conservative.

Rudy was strong on defense issues and was a solid fiscal conservative who turned a dump like New York City around. He is a friend of Israel and an advocate of freedom and capitalism. We were going to run against Hillary or Obama and their socialist agenda was well known to those who supported him, and we needed an articulate candidate who could make the case for our ideology as the best direction for the nation.

Yeah, a real shame Rudy missed 'Round One' against Hiliarly, when it was time to step up to the plate, he had that convenient prostate problem and all those 'personal' issues' he cited when he ducked out.

The ironic thing here is that Rudy didn't have contempt for conservatives.

What planet were you living on? Rudy refused to even *consider* meeting conservatives half way on issues like abortion, homosexual marriage, etc., and that proved without doubt that he didn't give a good damn about the conservatives that constituted the Reagan base within the GOP.

It was in fact social conservatives who had an unyielding contempt for the man and for all those who supported him.

Rudy's views on abortion alone were more than enough reason for any true conservative to hold him and his sycophants and apologists in contempt. Perhaps you might explain how Rudy's views on killing unborn babies differ from Comrade 0bama's?

Take all the time you want.

Rudy lost, as conservatives didn't want him, and that's fine. So we got someone the media and the GOP establishment wanted, and we know what happened. I support conservative causes and conservative candidates 100%, but in the absence of a strong, credible conservative leader I had to choose the best GOP candidate available to go against Hillary or Obama. I was right about the negative consequences that came from electing Obama. However, it isn't a vindication, since the stakes are high under Obama's leadership. If you compare Rudy with Obama, the choice is clear that Rudy would be much less harmful and detrimental to our nation and our way of life.

Under 0bama, America's social fabric is being shredded on a daily basis. Under Rudy, it would have been only twice a week. Your logic is that of choosing between dying, and dying a little faster. You bemoan the 'absence' of a strong conservative leader, but you had one: Congressman Duncan Hunter, whose 26 years of experience on national security issues alone put him head and shoulders above ANY other GOP primary candidate, bar none, he was a Reaganite who arrived in Washington WITH Ronald Reagan in 1980, his conservative views were the strongest of ANY candidate out there, but he never got traction due to the institutional bias of the media, the GOP establishment and the east coast Ivy League RINO crowd who looked down their nose at someone who would have been the second coming of the Gipper.

Republicans had the choice between show horses (Giuliani, McCain, et al) or a WORK horse (Hunter). As befits the general trend of our shallow society, they were wowed by name recognition, clever sound bites, and did what they were told to do by the GOP elitists running the Party.