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Why Romney Cannot Win
C4P ^ | July 25, 2009 | Joshua Livestro

Posted on 07/25/2009 12:52:30 PM PDT by DB9

By Joshua Livestro

You all probably remember my good friend Michael van der Galien. He's the guy who wrote an 'ironic' post about the star qualities of Gov. Palin which led to a little back and forth between C4P and his site, Poligazette.

In all seriousness, Michael actually is a good friend of mine. He may be wrong about one big thing (i.e. his blind, uncritical support for the Mittrosexual Man), but he is right about a lot of other things. If I'd have to pick a man to stand next to me in the trenches to defend life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness against the socialist hordes of Obama & Co, Michael would probably be that man. But even the best of friends can have the odd argument, and well, he's asking for one with his latest post.

Unable - or is it unwilling? - to see the WaPo poll for what it is, namely a politically motivated push poll cut out of whole cloth for the purpose of 'phraming' Palin's farewell speech as Governor this coming Sunday as being merely another step on the inevitable road to oblivion, Michael decides to act as if the poll contains actually relevant pieces of data. I mean come on Michael, you're a serious citizen journalist. A poll that oversamples Democrats vs. Republicans by a good four or five percent (33D 22R), and that doesn't even use registered voters, let alone the infinitely more reliable category of likely voters, is not a serious poll and doesn't deserve to be treated like one. You know this as well as I do (as does your friend AP, whose anti-Palin hackery is getting beyond the stage of deeply tiresome), and still you decide to write about this poll as if it is divinely inspired. What possible motive could you have for this, apart from trying to promote the cause of your candidate by trying to damage that of one of his main contenders?

Well, two can play that game, Michael. In fact, I'll have a lot more to work with than you do. I'm not referring to the many serious objections to Romney's candidacy (his disastrous healthcare reform project in Massachusetts, his anti-Reagan statements in the early nineties, his flipflopping on a key issue like abortion) or the non-serious ones, like the fact that he's boring (as in: 50 people, Michael. 50. And half of them were probably on Romney's payroll. Then again, boring men sometimes do end up winning their party's nomination. They always lose in the end, but that's another matter), or the fact that he's a Mormon (who cares - apart from Mike Huckabee, that is?).

No, I'll limit myself to the most serious, and potentially most deadly, objection to Romney, which is that his own party's voters simply don't dig the man. Just look at the data from this poll by Democratic pollsters PPP (before you ask: it's a registered voters survey, with party ID 42D, 35R, 23I - a reliable survey basically, unlike the one you used for your post). The figures make pretty devastating reading for Romney-fans. Among all Republican voters, Romney is 12 points behind Huckabee, 22 points behind Palin. Among conservative Republicans (75 percent of the electorate in the GOP primaries), the gap with Palin is even wider: 23 percent (81-58). Oh and before you get your hopes up about Romney somehow making up this astronomical difference through his support among moderate Republican voters: forget it. Even among what should be his core constituency, Romney trails Huckabee by 8 percent and Palin by a whopping 19 percent.

Face it Michael: Romney's toast. He's a flipflopper, a fake, a phony, a guy who can't even decide which state he's supposed to be from (is it Michigan? Utah? Massachusetts? You tell me). People smell his fakery a hundred miles away, and they avoid it like the plague. That's the reason only 50 people showed up at that campaign event in New Jersey, that's why he finished third in the weakest presidential field the GOP had produced in the past hundred years or so. And that's why he's trailing the other main contenders for the 2012 nomination by at least ten percent - even among his supposed core constituency of moderates.

Three years is plenty of time to take away any lingering doubts voters may have about Palin's fitness for the presidency. But all the time in the world won't be enought to convince conservative Republican voters that Romney is really one of them. Because deep down inside, he simply isn't.

Now Michael, if you want more of this, all I can say is: bring it on. But I suggest you use the rest of this weekend to ponder the deeper meaning of Reagan's 11th Commandment. There is a war on for the soul of the American project, with an ultraliberal in the White House who is determined to change his country into a European-style social democracy, but for some reason moderate Republicans like yourself are more interested in fighting Gov. Palin. It reminds me of that old Churchill anecdote when a young backbench MP approached the great old man, pointed at the Labour benches and asked him what he thought of 'the enemy'. "The enemy?", he answered. "My boy, that is the opposition. The enemy is seated behind me."


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To: ansel12
As so often in the past you display the reasoning power of a child.
Supporting, defending, and promoting are different things.
Think hard, and you may get it.
I have never promoted Romney for the presidency, for reason many times stated.
However, I think he is a suitable backup if the front runner fails. And he might be able to put the economy in the right direction as a vp. I defended him because I didn't want a fall back being destroyed in case I needed him. As it turned out, we did need a backup when Thompson dropped out.
Then everyone seemed to be more interested in destroying Romney than they were in winning the election.
If you still don't get it, I leave you to your ignorance.
101 posted on 07/26/2009 12:18:14 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: sinanju; DB9

Romney who...?


102 posted on 07/26/2009 12:19:10 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: darkangel82; 50mm; hiredhand; darkwing104; ansel12

Please see #79/#95 sniff per ansel12.


103 posted on 07/26/2009 12:19:15 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Who is Jim Thompson?)
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To: sinanju; DB9

By the way, Churchill is my favorite Liberal...

At the National Liberal Club in London, they honor Churchill as one of their own. He was...before he came back as a conservative. (I have stayed there when in London numerous times - comfortable accomodations for less, and a great breakfast included - beats the socks off London hotel prices, and it is right there close to Westminster - of course the rest of downtown London is just a walk from there.)


104 posted on 07/26/2009 12:25:09 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: broncobilly
"I have never promoted Romney for the presidency"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!

105 posted on 07/26/2009 12:30:10 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: broncobilly

You signed up here to promote the guy. Your very first post was to promote/defend Romney.

Your 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th posts at freerepublic were to me and then you gave me a break until your 23rd post, which of course was to me, your first 14 posts were not to me but they were all Romney posts except one.

Romney is why you are here.


106 posted on 07/26/2009 12:33:28 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: fieldmarshaldj; broncobilly

bronco’s fig leaf is that he thinks that signing up to promote Romney here for two years has been concealed by “defending” Romney rather than shouting out ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT!


107 posted on 07/26/2009 12:38:15 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

This cretin doesn’t even (or rarely ever) posts in anything OTHER than Slick Willard threads, and always insulting posts against Conservatives for doing nothing more than telling the truth. This troll should’ve been axed from day #1.


108 posted on 07/26/2009 12:40:24 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; broncobilly

You were the guy that recieved his 11th post at FR.


109 posted on 07/26/2009 12:46:36 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

Only the 11th and not the first ? I’m heartbroken. I always wanted to be the #1 target for the deranged Socialist Slick Willardbots. ;-D


110 posted on 07/26/2009 12:47:43 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: broncobilly; fieldmarshaldj; ansel12; mkjessup; Luke21

Just say no to RINO Romney!

Purge the Mittbots!

111 posted on 07/26/2009 1:09:52 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Who is Jim Thompson?)
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To: ansel12

You still don’t get it.
I would defend my wife, but that doesn’t mean I want her for president.


112 posted on 07/26/2009 1:33:41 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly

Trust me we get it, you signed up here for Romney making it clear before the first week was up that the freerepublic that you had just signed into was no longer “objective and informative” as it had been in the past before Romney was criticized.

An odd thing that you Romney people do,is that you just keep denying things even as you are doing them, you post for years that you are not posting what you are posting for instance, it is weird, almost cult like.

I know you well enough to know that you will deny your Romney agenda yet keep posting your Romney agenda with a constant sing/song hum of gentle denial that you are doing it, it is spooky.


113 posted on 07/26/2009 1:49:53 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: ansel12

What is spooky is all you people obcessed with Romney while the country is going down the tube. Get your mind on something important.


114 posted on 07/26/2009 1:56:02 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: broncobilly

No more obsessed than you are, in fact less so, I did not sign up here to serve Mitt Romney as you did.

You actually signed up to promote the guy, that is obsessed.


115 posted on 07/26/2009 2:15:45 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: broncobilly

Why do you come on a Conservative website to promote an over-the-hill Socialist ? Your devotion and fanaticism towards him is creepy.


116 posted on 07/26/2009 2:48:16 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: ansel12

What’s so disturbing about these kooks is that if you swapped them and a room full of the Kenyan’s supporters, you wouldn’t even know the difference.


117 posted on 07/26/2009 2:50:04 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: broncobilly

Now that is the funniest thing I have seen on FR in a long time....


118 posted on 07/26/2009 5:43:59 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (There's something socialist in the neighborhood, who ya gonna call? MITTBUSTERS!)
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To: goat granny

I don’t like Romney either. But they are even more stupid to run Palin. Besides, Romney’s religion will became a major issue (it shouldn’t, but the atheist left will jump on anything).

I would love it if a Republican governor (Barbour, Pawlenty, etc) comes to the forefront. One with a message other than Romney’s corporate socialism message.

My only point was that .. any Republican is better than Obama, so let’s not let the Dems divide and conquer us. Having said that, I HOPE that a current, good governor will step up to the plate.


119 posted on 07/26/2009 8:18:34 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: broncobilly; ansel12; rabscuttle385
Romney can't win. The Fox news babes can smile and look good while they report his poll numbers...and yeah...he's got great hair, but he's still a RINO and a turd that won't flush. Him being a Mormon has nothing to do with why we won't support him. He could be a Hari-Krishna for all we care. But the one thing he isn't is a conservative, and we DO care about that.

Take a stroll through FR and you'll find that we've always been a pretty good indicator of which way conservatism is leaning. The GOP won't pay attention to this, and so they continue to drive off the cliff and commit suicide. But you don't have to be like them.

Romney can't win, and if the GOP persists with him, look to whoever the DNC nominates and that will be the next winner.

Welcome to FR...I think.
120 posted on 07/26/2009 10:29:18 AM PDT by hiredhand (Understand the CRA and why we're facing economic collapse - see my about page.)
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