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To: dragnet2
That is an entirely separate issue. I never once uttered the word race and Obama was idiot for bring up race as a factor without knowing the full facts. Just because Obama is wrong doesn't make the cop some sort of hero.

This is better viewed as a clear cut issue of police abuse that crosses racial lines. If you don't believe me, go to youtube and you will find many, many whites who were tased simply for arguing for a cop. To repeat: A FREE AMERICAN CITIZEN HAS A RIGHT TO ARGUE WITH A COP WITHOUT BEING ARRESTED. Race should not enter into it one way or another. Many allegedly "limited government" conservatives have totally lost this distinction.

24 posted on 07/24/2009 9:16:17 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
This is better viewed as a clear cut issue of police abuse that crosses racial lines.

Oh hogwash. You are either a knee-jerk cop hater, or you (like Obama) haven't bothered to gather the facts before stating an opinion. (The latter, of course, would reveal that you are the former.)

26 posted on 07/24/2009 9:27:49 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Captain Kirk

I have a good lawyer friend who stated it as simply as it can be stated: “The street is not the place to argue with the police; the court room is.”

More importantly, you can argue with the police all you want, BUT if your argument disturbs the peace or creates a disruption for your neighbors, then you are in fact breaking the law! And as such, you can be arrested!

I think you are lost in the minutia of this situation instead of seeing that this ALL revolves around Mr. Gates bringing in the race card - not the police officer. So, if Mr. Gates had simply cooperated with the investigation without the attitude and creating the disruption, then he would never have been arrested.

Location aside, you can still simply argue without creating a disturbance. Mr. Gates WANTED the disturbance; this was his opportunity to knock the white man down. There is absolutely NO other reason for this situation to have gotten to this point. According to the police report, this officer attempted to keep things under control and Mr. Gates did not want that!


27 posted on 07/24/2009 9:54:12 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (For whatsoe'ver their sufferings were before; that change they covet makes them suffer more. -Dryden)
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To: Captain Kirk
A free American citizen has a right to argue with a cop without being arrested. This is America, not the Soviet Union (or at least used to be).

Do other American citizens deserve to be attacked by the President of the United States, in front of millions of Americans, implying they are stupid and racist before knowing the facts?

Can falsely alleging that someone is a racist, cause them great harm, ruin their careers and get them black balled and even cause harm to them and their families?

That is an entirely separate issue. If you don't believe me, go to youtube

Utube? lol...

Ya tell me this is an entirely separate issue, then you refer me to U-tube to watch entirely different events and separate incidents.

Ya see something wrong with your logic here?

28 posted on 07/24/2009 11:11:48 AM PDT by dragnet2
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