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To: dr_lew

Don’t go down that road please ... I just re-read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and all this thinking about thinking about thinking has me tied up in knots... Aristotlean or otherwise...

Wake me up when we have flying cars and fusion reactors...


24 posted on 07/23/2009 6:00:31 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer
Don’t go down that road please ...

OK, just stick with good ol' Aristotle!

Place is thought to be something important and hard to grasp, both because the matter and the shape present themselves along with it, and because the displacement of the body that is moved takes place in a stationary container, for it seems possible that there should be an interval which is other than the bodies which are moved. The air, too, which is thought to be incorporeal, contributes something to the belief: it is not only the boundaries of the vessel which seem to be place, but also what is between them, regarded as empty. Just, in fact, as the vessel is transportable place, so place is a non-portable vessel. So when what is within a thing which is moved, is moved and changes its place, as a boat on a river, what contains plays the part of a vessel rather than that of place. Place on the other hand is rather what is motionless: so it is rather the whole river that is place, because as a whole it is motionless.

25 posted on 07/23/2009 6:20:39 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Neidermeyer

BTW, I loved Zen & the A of MM. I read it when I was in grad school, and I remember one day when I didn’t go into school but sat home with an atlas following his trip through Montana and Idaho.


26 posted on 07/23/2009 9:14:30 PM PDT by dr_lew
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