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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; Ethan Clive Osgoode; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; valkyry1; ...
You seem very eager to associate Ida with Piltdown Man. Piltdown man was a hoax, a forgery. Do you have any reason to believe Ida is a hoax, or is this just generic anti-evolution mudslinging?

History.

I'm trying to think of one *missing link* earth shaking discovery which has turned out to be as significant as initially claimed and am coming up short.

Discoveries like that should be greeted with a healthy dose of skepticism instead naively accepting anything anyone says just because evos want it to be true so bad. It should be treated as a potential hoax, or at the very least, a misidentification until it has been thoroughly and rigorously studied and classified. This bickering among scientists over what to classify it as indicates too much eagerness and not enough caution in labeling it and making the final determination of what it is and where it goes in the evolutionary tree.

It makes the scientific community look like a bunch of gullible fools and destroys their credibility every time they have to backpedal because they over reacted.

For all the evos worry about science's reputation, they do it to themselves. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

36 posted on 07/22/2009 5:46:41 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
It makes the scientific community look like a bunch of gullible fools and destroys their credibility every time they have to backpedal because they over reacted.

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!
38 posted on 07/22/2009 7:21:57 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Vox Day has a very interesting sendup of the Ida comedy hour - Proof of evolution disproved....as expected
44 posted on 07/22/2009 9:32:45 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: metmom
History.

I'm trying to think of one *missing link* earth shaking discovery which has turned out to be as significant as initially claimed and am coming up short.

I asked why you (well, not you, but you answered) were suggesting Ida was a hoax, not why it might not be "as significant as intitially claimed." As the article shows, lots of "evos" also question its significance. But as far as I know, no one's suggesting it's not actually a 47-my-old primate fossil, which is what the continual "Piltdown" drumbeat implies.

It should be treated as a potential hoax,

Why? I remember Coyoteman used to ask anti-evolutionists to come up with a list of 5 hoaxes out of all the fossils we've found, and he'd spot you Piltdown Man. Nobody ever came up with 4 other demonstrable hoaxes. And yet you act like it happens all the time and say it should color any announcement of a fossil find.

45 posted on 07/22/2009 9:34:03 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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It's not just that the Piltdown man was a hoax, it was or should have been an obvious hoax. The men who looked at it could hardly have not noticed the filings and mismatched teeth but it fitted what they wanted to believe.

It's like passing off fake art works, the greatest defenders of a fake are those who have the most invested in it. And being a late investor just won't do.

58 posted on 07/22/2009 11:51:58 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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