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To: Secret Agent Man

Title 8, 1405, would make Obama eligible IF he was truly born in Hawaii, even if only 1 parent is a US citizen.


Again, the lack of understanding on this issue is mind boggling.

Dude, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN versus CITIZEN. They are NOT, I repeat, NOT the same. Learn the distinction. Most other people get it, why don’t you? Yes, he is obviously a “Citizen”, but he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. You need both parents to be Citizens. His father was not.

If both parents are not citizens, you slam into a contradiction, just as we have with bo. The contradiction is “Dual citizenship”. the founding fathers accepted that senators could have dual citizenship, but decided the president cannot have dual citizenship. It’s logical.


123 posted on 07/20/2009 10:17:07 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: bioqubit
Yes, he is obviously a “Citizen”, but he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Actually, if his parents were married, and what evidence exists suggests that they were, and he was born outside the US, he was not even a citizen at birth. He could have been naturalized later, but that would make him just an ineligible as being an illegal alien.

151 posted on 07/20/2009 11:49:28 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: bioqubit; Secret Agent Man

“Dude, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN versus CITIZEN. They are NOT, I repeat, NOT the same. “

There are 2 ways to acquire citizenship in the US: At time of birth, and via legal naturalization process.

“Yes, he is obviously a “Citizen”, but he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. “
The question is WHEN did he become a citizen? At birth or via naturalization?

Natural-born citizen is another name for citizen at time of birth. See for example:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark/Opinion_of_the_Court

If Obama was a US citizen at birth then he is a natural-born US citizen. QED.

There are no 1st and 2nd class citizens, as a citizen you have all the rights of any other citizen, and any attempt to promulgate such categorization is against the 1866 Civil Rights law and the 14th Amendment.


339 posted on 07/26/2009 11:35:26 AM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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