From an alien.
Posted on 07/20/2009 7:40:35 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta
flurry of articles on news sites. Google News - Obama Constitutionally Eligible?
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What legal document establishes one as a “citizen” of the United States?
Is it not their birth certificate?
It cannot be their social security number, because that is a government benefit that is applied for AFTER citizenship.
Children who are born to US citizens while overseas are considered to be US citizens... but isn’t there SOME legal document which accompanies their foreign birth certificate which grants them US citizenship on the basis of their parents citizenship??? Are not parents importing a newborn required to file for a passport or SOMETHING that identifies the child as theirs besides the foreign birth certificate?
Anyone familiar with this?
Renounce, ok? Sorry haven’t had a good nights sleep since Tues.
So if both my husband and I have a child in Georgia and we go loopy and decide to move to another country when he is 2 and renounce our citizenship, even though my child was born in this country he does not have the right to his citizenship anymore? What about his right as an individual?
“Obama is a radical communist and I think it is becoming clear. He is going to destroy this country and we are either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist.”
- Alan Keyes
>impeached
... this implies he was ever president. No citizenship, no president.
“Both Title 8 1401 and 1405 cover natural born citizens.” No it doesn’t! You are purposely conflating citizenship with natural born citizen. Reading several SCOTUS cases regarding citizenship, it is evident that there are at least three defined ways to be a citizen of the United SAtates: 1) native born (like anchor babies), born on U.S. soil; 2) naturalized by statute of law; 3) natural born, as in two American citizen parents and may or may not be born on U.S. soil (affirmed by Senate resolution in McCain’s case, to which Barry Obama signed on in April 2008).
Actually, it wouldn't.
From an alien.
Not necessarily. It's pretty much a done deal that the COLB is a forgery so she didn't issue it. All she said was there was a record of Hussein's birth. There could very well be a BC with Soetoro or the Easter Bunny listed as the father for all anyone knows. If Soetoro isn't named as the father, then he didn't legally adopt him and then Hussein has some explaining to do since that's what he claims and remember he said he found his BC and his adoption papers in a drawer in his autobiography. And then his passport and college scholarships come into question and could lead to jail time. One lie starts to unravel and then another and another and what do you have...
My mistake....Wow! It is finially getting out there!
About time!
When Pres. Chester A. Arthur was born, his father was definitely still a citizen of Ireland. It will be interesting to see how this precedent figures into any court cases concerning Obama's natural born citizen status.
Of course since everyone has known for years that Obama's father was born in Africa, it would have been much better to bring up this whole issue before the election.
That’s more believable to me than he has an actual American Birth Certificate.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
Just so you guys have a reference.
Some judges have guts in this land, and react the opposite to what ordinary people do when intimidated.
From a jackal*
Yes, I am.
A child born abroad to American parents can be registered at the US Consulate, where, if all paperwork is in order, he will be issued with a “Certificate of US Citizen Born Abroad”.
This is a form of citizenshhip by birth, and my eldest son has one of these certificates, having been born in Indonesia in 1977. However, it is my understanding that despite his citizenship, which derives from statue law, not natural law, under a strict originalist construction of the language of the US Consitution, which I hold to, by the way, my son is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.
You are arguing about something that goes on all the time. Parents are allowed to change their childrens’ citizenship. They are minors and their parents have that ability. You also as parents have the right not to allow your child’s citizenship to be changed by anyone else but you. As minors kids don’t have legal standing to do that. You know minors do not have legal authority to enter into legal contracts. Their parents do that FOR them. You should know by now that minor children, while citizens, do not have the same and full rights as adults do. Until they are 18 or emancipated at an earlier age. This also falls into the reasoning that when minors commit crimes and property damage and such, parents are held financially liable for them. Truancy laws fine the parents.
If you as his parents, legally change his citizenship to a different country, he will legally be a citizen of your new country. What, you think he gets to stay American? You think he gets to live under American laws while he lives in that country too?
Now, there might be one difference and that is the particular country you guys move to. Some countries allow for dual citizenship, so in those cases the kids (and the parents if they wanted) could be citizens of both places. However, Indonesia, at the time Barack was adopted, did NOT recognize dual citizenship, so through the adoption process his US citizenship was dropped. He became and Indonesian citizen. He had to be an Indonesian citizen in order to attend school in Indonesia.
If that is so, then Chester Arthur was no eligible to the Presidency. I understand also that there is a thought that Arthur used the birth certificate of his prother to prove that he wasn’t bon in Canada.
As for bringing it up BEFORE the election, the massive efforts to do were thwarted at every turn by indifference and hostility.
Well that might be true. Either way SCOTUS would have to clarify 1401/1405 w/r/t what ‘natural born’ means, and whether they would apply or not. Neither side is going to roll over. Personally I would wish they would say 1401/1405 doesn’t mean ‘natural born’ and would use the two parent etc etc def but with our SCOTUS the way it is it would be a very scary case. They get to interpret what ‘natural born’ is and it would be a nail-biter.
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