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Revealed: the hidden benefits of a private-school education
guardian-uk ^ | Sunday 19 July 2009 | Gaby Hinsliff

Posted on 07/20/2009 6:31:30 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

Private schools offering lavish extracurricular activities give their pupils an unfair advantage and should be forced to share their facilities with state pupils, says a report commissioned by the prime minister.

Former cabinet minister Alan Milburn was asked to look at how class barriers could be broken down in Britain and found that middle-class children whose parents do not move in the "right" circles, as well as those from poorer families, now risk being shut out of professions that have become more socially exclusive.

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1 posted on 07/20/2009 6:31:30 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

There really must be a “stupid chemical” required to be injested by all libs.

Perhaps they might start demanding that their cherished gove schools start trying discipline and teaching real subjects.

Oh, and dump the sharia law...idiots!


2 posted on 07/20/2009 6:38:36 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

‘It’s not Faaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrr (Mom)’ — the favorite whine of the liberals. And children.


3 posted on 07/20/2009 6:40:30 AM PDT by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: stainlessbanner

Maybe they should demand that responsible parents be “shared” as well. That, in my estimation, is the real problem - lack of responsible parenting. And, by the way, that goes for the U.S. as well.


4 posted on 07/20/2009 6:44:01 AM PDT by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental illness)
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To: stainlessbanner

Of course there is a difference between Public and Private schools, and of course Private schools offer advantages that Public schools do not. That is why they are called “Private” schools, and that is why some people spend heaps of money over and above their taxes to send their kids to “Private” school.

Some people spend their money on cars and boats and beer and lotto tickets and football games, others invest their money in a Private School education for their kids. It all comes down to priorities.

Good luck forcing the Private Schools to share facilities and programs with the Public schools as a condition of keeping charitable status. The Private Schools would probably rather forfeit their charitable status than do that..


5 posted on 07/20/2009 6:46:42 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: stainlessbanner

I came from a relatively poor family.

I busted my butt in public school and got a scholorship to Andover.

So some schmoe who watches SpongeBob all day wants to use the facilities at a private school?


6 posted on 07/20/2009 6:50:17 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: stainlessbanner

When leftest find someone doing better they have to drag them down so that it is “fair” so the others don’t feel bad about themselves... If they have more, it has to be taken and divided up. If they work harder it has to be taxed harder. Everyone must be equal - equally poor. People are not individuals with individual goals and self determination. They are simply cogs in a machine that must be directed towards the Utopian world they envision no matter how many times that vision fails and destroy peoples lives in the process.


7 posted on 07/20/2009 6:51:37 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB

You’ve exactly described the “equality of outcome” Doctrine that is ardently believed in and practised by some very intelligent people on the Left. Some of them are in Policy-making, unsurprisingly.

I have a friend who is one such person. She has two children: one is brilliant, and the other is mentally retarded. She believes in “Equality of Outcome” because she believes that there is no “fair” reason why her brilliant son should have it easy in life, and the other — the mentally retarded one — should have to work harder and achieve less.

There is a twisted logic to that.


8 posted on 07/20/2009 6:56:23 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: stainlessbanner

British culture is drowning in envy these days. Brits are so boiling with resentment they aren’t pleasant to be around.


9 posted on 07/20/2009 6:56:54 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; DB
Equal: all children have the opportunity to get a free public education
Advantage: parents choose an alternate education path (private, homeschool, etc) that provides a better quality education

What the "equal outcome" folks miss is bringing down top performers hurts everyone on a macro scale. Hhold back the emerging scientist, technologist, or business leader to keep him on par with lowest performers, repeat over the years and eventually you get a depressed economy and industries with no innovation or incentive for high achievers.

10 posted on 07/20/2009 7:07:45 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

You won’t get any argument from me.


11 posted on 07/20/2009 7:10:00 AM PDT by DB
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To: stainlessbanner
I'll add that Obama’s values “fairness” over productivity or overall well being.

When told that raising the capital gains tax would reduce revenue he said that was okay because it would be fairer.

The objective wasn't more tax revenue. It wasn't more productivity. It wasn't higher living standards. It was “fairer”. So now our lives are to be governed based on what our dear leader feels is fairer... In short it is arbitrary tyranny.

12 posted on 07/20/2009 7:16:26 AM PDT by DB
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To: stainlessbanner

I went to a prep school on partial scholarship. Besides the fact that most of the U.S. schools typically rent out some of the facilities (e.g. pool) to the YMCA and whatnot, I can also tell you that some of the people there did not hit the career jackpot on their own despite whatever advantages one might surmise such places have.


13 posted on 07/20/2009 7:16:40 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Vouchers level the playing field, yet the Democrats will not sign on as they send their own children to exclusive private schools. Obama sends his daughters to Sidwell Friends but blocked any government money from sending any more impoverished kids from DC. This serves two purposes - one that is very direct - to obey the all powerful teachers unions that fill their Democratic political coffers and who want no threat to their monopoly over public education, and secondly, which is an indirect benefit that fell into their laps, and that is to keep the ghetto dwellers in terrible education environments, shuffling them through metal detectors and inferior schools and then watch as they are unable to improve their lives, destined to live out in a crippling ghetto serfdom. Thus - they are a consistent voting block, generation after generation, that is completely dependent on the government. Newark, Patterson, Jersey City, Trenton, Camden, Philadelphia, Wilmington, Baltimore, Washington DC - all you registered Democrats running those institutions, please take a bow. They should demand a voucher system because the current system is failing the kids.

One of the richest cohorts in America is blacks who have gone to Catholic schools - but the Democratic Party did everything it could to block any voucher program to send any black children to those schools - just like Obama has blocked black children from the DC poor to attend Sidwell Friends. Anything that will improve their lives and remove them from ghetto serfdom is dangerous - yet the Democrats continue to lecture us on racism, but have done little to help these children receive a proper education.

We also wonder why our country lags the world in math and science - because the teachers monopoly, as with all monopolies - raises the price while reducing the quality. The callous disregard of education on top of the huge amounts of money that is spent - there has to be a change.

We wonder why black people cannot pass a civil service fireman’s test - why don’t you look to the teachers unions, and their payoffs, and their toleration of appalling ghetto schools. Now they want to get rid of written tests because the ghetto kids cannot pass them in all walks of life - dumb down America because our schools cannot teach - where will this leave us? Their answer is - we need more money - and the real answer is that the system needs to be scrapped, because this is 50 years of failure for some of the highest education pricing on earth.

Vouchers - now - because even if we can save 20% of these kids and we should save more, we will have changed the world. Right now we are failing them all.


14 posted on 07/20/2009 7:22:28 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; DB; Titus-Maximus

I have a small oval sticker on my vehicle’s rear window. It is my very favorite twist on an aging liberal theme. A smiling stealth wing announces “It will be a great day when all children go to private schools and the money wasted on public education goes to building bombers.”


15 posted on 07/20/2009 7:30:15 AM PDT by philled (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.-- GB Shaw)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
The Private Schools would probably rather forfeit their charitable status than do that..

My kids went to a private (Baptist) school 30 years ago and when we entered them, the pastor told us what he told all parents: That if any student ever accepted any money from government because they were private school students, their parents would be told to remove them from the school.

16 posted on 07/20/2009 7:32:42 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Liberals don’t want equality of opportunity, they want equality of results, which is as stupid as anything else they want or believe.


17 posted on 07/20/2009 7:35:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: stainlessbanner
eventually you get a depressed economy and industries with no innovation or incentive for high achievers.

That's what they want. Socialism succeeds every time it's tried. Conservatives just misunderstand the objective.

18 posted on 07/20/2009 8:09:31 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Half the value of a private school is their filtering out disruptive students and parents, so good students aren’t held back. With government money comes strings, such as not filtering out the problem people. Vouchers would destroy the private school option. Vouchers or incentives might work for homeschoolers though.


19 posted on 07/20/2009 8:18:17 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: NYer

Ping the list please.


20 posted on 07/20/2009 8:21:34 AM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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