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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have no idea if Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA, but it would certainly be easy enough to verify. All Obama has to do is release the document. Heck, I had to produce a certified birth certificate in order to get the job I have now. We've also heard, over and over again, how wonderfully bright and intelligent he is, yet he's never released his college records either. It's truly amazing just how much is not really known about the man who was elected POTUS. Contrast that to the last elected POTUS, where everything he did was scrutinized and released to the press. It's really amazing just how much "dirt" can be turned up on someone elected President, when the media wants to find it, isn't it?

On the other hand, Senator Joseph McCarthy? Well, the Venona papers eventually showed him to be correct, didn't it. But the same MSM that vilified him so terribly has managed to ignore the facts yet again, and report the truth that McCarthy was right!

Mark

75 posted on 07/20/2009 5:16:49 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
I have no idea if Obama is a natural born citizen of the USA, but it would certainly be easy enough to verify.

No actual verification is necessary. Obama is patently not a Natural Born Citizen even according to the most favorable version of the circumstances of his birth, as admitted by Obama himself.

From Orly Taitz's Pleadings in Keyes et al v. Obama et al:

21. Question 10: What sources should be used in support of authoritative construction of the language of the United States Constitution, aside from the statutory law of the United States as enacted by Congress pursuant to the Constitution and the opinions of the Supreme Court, especially when addressing questions of first impression such as those raised in this complaint?

22. Plaintiffs ask this Court to declare and adjudge that the framers of the constitution used, and that this Court must therefore apply in this case of first impression, the definition of the Natural Born Citizen contained in “The Law of Nations or, Principles of the Law of Nature, applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns” by the Swiss philosopher and jurist Emmerich De Vattel:

“…natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owns to its own preservation: and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see, whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for if he is born there of a foreigner, it will only be the place of his birth, and not his country”.

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

23. This Court should apply the De Vattel definition used by the framers of the constitution, defining “Natural Born Citizen” for following reasons:

24. De Vattel’s treatise existed at the time of the creation of the Constitution, as it was published in 1757 and was readily available to the framers

25. Emmerich de Vattel’s was widely quoted by the framers of the constitution, for example, by Hamilton, Jay, and Madison “Publius” in the Federalist Papers.

26. His book provides an exact and contemporaneous definition for the term used “Natural Born Citizen”

27. De Vattel fully corresponds to the well-known statements by the framers of the Constitution

28. The Vattel definition was used as a basis for the Senate resolution 511 of 2008, when Senator McCain was found to be a Natural Born Citizen, based on the fact that he was born in the zone of the Panama canal, US territory at a time and both of his parents were US citizens.

29. Apparently during the Constitutional Convention, John Jay wrote on July 25, 1787 to George Washington:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise or reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of National government; and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American Army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen”

30. In explaining the meaning of Natural Born Citizen, a principal framer of the 14th amendment, which redefined citizenship under the Constitution, John Armor Bingham explained that the phrase referred to “every human being born in the jurisdiction of the United States to parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. (Emphasis added).

31. As Obama’s East African father owed (by reason of his birth and as a matter of international law) allegiance to British crown (whether or not he professed any), Obama was not a Natural born citizen and does not qualify for presidency. Dual Nationality is a rather new concept that did not exist at the time of creation of the Constitution and Plaintiffs submit that the definition used and the contemporaneous statements of the framers show a desire to exclude from the group of Natural Born Citizens anyone, with allegiance to other sovereignties at birth.

Case closed.

86 posted on 07/20/2009 6:00:10 AM PDT by John Valentine
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