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U.S. has much to learn from our health care (Canada)
The Star ^ | Jul 19, 2009 | Tom Campbell

Posted on 07/19/2009 6:34:50 PM PDT by Lorianne

The Canadian health plan remains our most popular government program. However, if we could start over, we could transform a very good system into a great one. Our main obstacle to reform is the very success of the system to date. Politicians admit privately that reforms are needed but they hesitate to speak out. This does not make for thoughtful debate.

Most problems stem from one cause. From the beginning, we ignored advice and made taxes the single source of funding. But there never are sufficient revenues for an open-ended system. This is why we struggle with scarcity of staff and equipment. While the U.S. probably spends too much on health care, Canada needs to spend more. We have to pay the price if we want a first-class system.

Our system, while very good, is due for an upgrade. But it is not realistic to expect Canadian governments to increase their share. Health-care costs have been climbing to the point where they are crowding out other essentials such as education and welfare, which are also important determinants of health and happiness. Increasing taxes is not recommended as Canadians are already overtaxed. If we want our economy to thrive so we can afford these services, we have to be sensitive to these issues.

When the government is the only payer, it rules out market signals that improve service and efficiency. We provide free coverage for minor services so we don't always have enough resources for timely major services. A more sensible system, while excluding no one, would include co-payments for front-end costs up to a reasonable maximum, depending on the patient's ability to pay.

Only an adequately funded universal health plan can protect all of us from major and catastrophic occurrences. But there will never be adequate funding if we continue to rely solely on government to provide for every minor expense.

Co-payments based on income would introduce a new source of funding to remedy this imbalance. It would encourage improved service rather than rationing. It would offer incentives for patients and providers to do the right thing. The more affluent would pay modest co-payments so the system could provide first-class service for all, rich and poor alike. This proposal would set the top co-payment at $2,500 a year for those earning more than $100,000, tapering to zero for those with incomes less than $25,000. In comparison, U.S. private premiums can be $15,000 a year plus co-payments.

Existing levels of tax funding should remain as a floor upon which the system can be upgraded. Funds should be distributed the same way as university funding through an impartial commission. Government's role would then be to set standards, which it can do well, rather than to micromanage, where it is not so good. New revenue based on service provided would create an incentive for hospitals, which now receive global budgets, to provide more timely service rather than rationing it through wait times.

New sources of funding would empower Adam Smith's concept of the invisible hand that matches services with resources. Waiting lists would be reduced as hospitals could use their facilities more efficiently. Surgeons, who now complain of lack of operating room time, could treat more people. Additional funding could make possible a major drug plan and keep pace with best equipment and practices. Surveys have shown that the public, while supporting our system, is aware that it needs upgrading.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: bho44; canadacare; democrats; healthcare; hillarycare; obamacare; rationcare; romneycare; socializedmedicine
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Read the article.

Some interesting admissions in there about Canada's health care system (and taxes).

1 posted on 07/19/2009 6:34:51 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Read the comments, too. There is some vigorous debate there.


2 posted on 07/19/2009 6:48:35 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Lorianne
Only an adequately funded universal health plan can protect all of us from major and catastrophic occurrences

The dumbest statement I've ever read. Well. maybe not. It's sure protected them from hurricanes. Why I've never heard of a hurricane in Canada, come to think of it.

3 posted on 07/19/2009 6:49:07 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Lorianne

Why is it that most Canadians I’ve met in my life were coming down here for US health care?


5 posted on 07/19/2009 6:56:18 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: Lorianne
Some Canadians are waking up and realizing that the socialization of the US medical industry is going to leave them in a world of hurt.

No longer will people be able to just cross the border to obtain expensive but otherwise unavailable medical resources to supplement the primitive Canadian system.

Replacing the infrastructure they now make use of in the United States will cost the Canadians hundreds of billions of dollars they do not now have.

6 posted on 07/19/2009 7:01:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Yes, the comments are quite illuminating.


7 posted on 07/19/2009 7:03:10 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
I read it. Still sounds like a bunch of happy utopian double good plus speak.

Only an adequately funded universal health plan can protect all of us from major and catastrophic occurrences.

Only in a dream world. Disease and sickness are part of life and will evolve as humans evolve. Major accidents can be reduced but never entirely prevented.

Existing levels of tax funding should remain as a floor upon which the system can be upgraded. Funds should be distributed the same way as university funding through an impartial commission. Government's role would then be to set standards, which it can do well, rather than to micromanage, where it is not so good.

So the taxes would stay the same, but people have to pay out of pocket as well. Great. Oh, and an "impartial commission" -- what planet are they from? Haven't read about that anywhere in human history.

8 posted on 07/19/2009 7:10:05 PM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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But there never are sufficient revenues for an open-ended system. This is why we struggle with scarcity of staff and equipment.

The wonderful Canadian system survives because tens of thousands of Canadians come to the US for services every year. If they didn't the mortality stats would be an outrage.

9 posted on 07/19/2009 7:14:40 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Lorianne

From what I read there’s nothing wrong with socialized medicine that capitalism couldn’t cure. Sounds like we’re heading in the wrong direction.


10 posted on 07/19/2009 7:18:14 PM PDT by hometoroost (Torture? Would you rather do 5 years at Gitmo or 5 hours with the Muslims?)
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Co-payments based on income would introduce a new source of funding to remedy this imbalance.

This is hilarious. The way to solve the problems with the "free", singlepayer healthcare system is to make another (double) payer help pay for it? You can't make this stuff up. Commie healthcare don't work.

11 posted on 07/19/2009 7:24:19 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (WWTHD - What Would The Hondurans Do?)
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To: candidate
It pisses me off when I hear people like Sean Hannity rip our system based on the anecdotal evidence he picks and chooses basically denigrating the many professionals in the system who do the best they can to provide health services.

So you're saying the numerous reports we hear of people waiting months for simple tests and surgeries are lying? I read just such a story the other day where a woman and her husband had to spend their life savings getting her life-saving surgery done in the US as her Canadian directed healthcare was basically leaving her to die.

13 posted on 07/19/2009 9:01:58 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ABC-AP-MSNBC-All Obama, All the time.)
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I moved to Canada 15 years ago from the U.S. and raised two children here and have nothing but good to say about the government run health care system. When I moved up I was a substitute teacher for a year and had the peace of mind that I had health coverage unlike when I did the same job in the U.S. It pisses me off when I hear people like Sean Hannity rip our system based on the anecdotal evidence he picks and chooses basically denigrating the many professionals in the system who do the best they can to provide health services.
14 posted on 07/19/2009 9:10:31 PM PDT by calex59 (I, me, myself, am actually Jim Thompson)
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I moved to Canada 15 years ago from the U.S. and raised two children here and have nothing but good to say about the government run health care system. When I moved up I was a substitute teacher for a year and had the peace of mind that I had health coverage unlike when I did the same job in the U.S. It pisses me off when I hear people like Sean Hannity rip our system based on the anecdotal evidence he picks and chooses basically denigrating the many professionals in the system who do the best they can to provide health services.

Pardon me, but we don't believe you. Most of us know Canadians, I do for certain, and they have nothing good to say about Canadian health care. Like wise with the few brits we know. All one has to do to find out about the British health care is to read the British papers. Either you are flat out lying or haven't had to actually use Canadian health care.

15 posted on 07/19/2009 9:10:47 PM PDT by calex59 (I, me, myself, am actually Jim Thompson)
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Hope some of you caught the Huckabee show this weekend. They had a Canadian doctor and a woman with a 15 year old son that needs a spinal fusion. She's trying to get to the US to get it done instead of waiting 2 to 3 years in Canada. Turns out she had the same genetic problem when she was 15 but she was passed off by the Canadian health system until she was in her late 20s and she couldn't walk. She said the Canadian 'bureacrats' said she wasn't old enough and "hadn't suffered enough." She was told there were older people that had been waiting for operations so she should just keep taking the morphine and live with it.

If this Obama Health Care program passes everyone in the US that has a problem will be jacked up on drugs like Michael Jackson waiting to see a doctor or have an operation like they are now doing in Canada.

16 posted on 07/19/2009 9:21:25 PM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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You know, we hear different stories from CANADIANS.
Reading the comments just from this story you get so many different views from CANADIANS.

Frankly, Americans don’t know what to believe about Canadian health care. But I wouldn’t blame Hannity (or any other show host) about that. Canadians themselves can’t seem to agree whether their system is good or not.


17 posted on 07/19/2009 9:52:48 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: calex59

Look at sign up date. My troll meter just went off the charts.


18 posted on 07/19/2009 10:24:57 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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I don’t believe you for a minute. I don’t know a single Canadian that doesn’t have nightmare stories about it. 7-8 posts and you’re here praising Canada’s heath care. Not buying it for a minute.


19 posted on 07/19/2009 10:26:30 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Health insurance of the Canucks.
20 posted on 07/20/2009 1:06:26 AM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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