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To: allmendream; aaronopine; editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; ...
==No. When comparing genes we are comparing genes and the genes are 98% the same sequence...When comparing genomes we compare genomes and the genomes are around 90% the same....This is exactly what one would expect if the genetic component of our genomes were under higher selective constraints the the rest of the genome....Attempts to conflate the two numbers show just how idiotic and desperate and ignorant of the facts Creationists are.

Actually, the deliberate attempt to give the public the false impression that chimps and humans are 98-99% similar just goes to show how idiotic and disingenuous and desperate your evo co-religionists are.

PS It just keeps getting worse and worse for your side:

Chimpanzee?

10-10-2008 17:12 | Dr Richard Buggs

From 1964 to 2004, it was believed that humans are almost identical to apes at the genetic level. Ten years ago, we thought that the information coded in our DNA is 98.5% the same as that coded in chimpanzee DNA. This led some scientists to claim that humans are simply another species of chimpanzee. They argued that humans did not have a special place in the world, and that chimpanzees should have the same ’rights’ as humans.

Other scientists took a different view. They said that it is obvious that we are very different from chimpanzees in our appearance and way of life: if we are almost the same as chimpanzees in our DNA sequence, this simply means that DNA sequence is the wrong place to look in trying to understand what makes humans different. By this view, the 98.5% figure does not undermine the special place of humans. Instead it undermines the importance of genetics in thinking about what it means to be a human.

Fortunately (for both the status of human beings and the status of genetics) we now know that the 98.5% figure is very misleading. In 2005 scientists published a draft reading of the complete DNA sequence (genome) of a chimpanzee. When this is compared with the genome of a human, we find major differences.

To compare the two genomes, the first thing we must do is to line up the parts of each genome that are similar. When we do this alignment, we discover that only 2400 million of the human genome’s 3164.7 million ’letters’ align with the chimpanzee genome - that is, 76% of the human genome. Some scientists have argued that the 24% of the human genome that does not line up with the chimpanzee genome is useless ”junk DNA”. However, it now seems that this DNA could contain over 600 protein-coding genes, and also code for functional RNA molecules.

Looking closely at the chimpanzee-like 76% of the human genome, we find that to make an exact alignment, we often have to introduce artificial gaps in either the human or the chimp genome. These gaps give another 3% difference. So now we have a 73% similarity between the two genomes.

In the neatly aligned sequences we now find another form of difference, where a single ’letter’ is different between the human and chimp genomes. These provide another 1.23% difference between the two genomes. Thus, the percentage difference is now at around 72%.

We also find places where two pieces of human genome align with only one piece of chimp genome, or two pieces of chimp genome align with one piece of human genome. This ”copy number variation” causes another 2.7% difference between the two species. Therefore the total similarity of the genomes could be below 70%.

This figure does not take include differences in the organization of the two genomes. At present we cannot fully assess the difference in structure of the two genomes, because the human genome was used as a template (or ”scaffold”) when the chimpanzee draft genome was assembled.

Our new knowledge of the human and chimpanzee genomes contradicts the idea that humans are 98% chimpanzee, and undermines the implications that have been drawn from this figure. It suggests that there is a huge amount exciting research still to be done in human genetics.

The author is a research geneticist at the University of Florida.

http://www.refdag.nl/artikel/1366432/Chimpanzee.html

98 posted on 07/20/2009 8:56:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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Thanks for the ping!


99 posted on 07/20/2009 8:59:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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And once again he goes straight from an admitted 98% similarity in GENETIC comparison to a GENOMIC comparison without once mentioning all the reasons that the greater genomic difference was expected and fully in line with what we observe in other species of known common descent.


100 posted on 07/20/2009 9:00:21 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GodGunsGuts
In the neatly aligned sequences we now find another form of difference, where a single ’letter’ is different between the human and chimp genomes. These provide another 1.23% difference between the two genomes. Thus, the percentage difference is now at around 72%.

We also find places where two pieces of human genome align with only one piece of chimp genome, or two pieces of chimp genome align with one piece of human genome. This ”copy number variation” causes another 2.7% difference between the two species. Therefore the total similarity of the genomes could be below 70%.

Also, let's not forget, that this 70% is comparing only the less than 2% of the entire genetic material- the rest of the genetic material, the 98%, which the Macroevos concider to be 'junk DNA' but which we now know is NOT junk at all, is completely different from chimp's 'junk DNA'. So this claim that Chimps and humans are 98%, 96% or whatever % the macroevos have disingeniously 'settled on' nowadays, is very misleading- the % is comparing only less than 2% of the entire genome, and as you correctly point out, even that piddly amount is not what the macroevos claim to be %-wise, and it completely ignores the millions of differences even in that small percentage which they concentrate on- The claim that we're even 90% similar to chimps is a bogus LIE! Meant to decieve and to keep the failing claims of 'common descent' alive via blatant misrepresentation

105 posted on 07/20/2009 11:57:14 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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