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To: Copernicus
State's Rights effectively ended when Woodrow Wilson...

States don't have rights, only powers. People, and only people, have rights. But, otherwise, I agree. They act as if the "interstate commerce clause" negates the 10th amendment, even though amendment trump the main body of the Constitution, or earlier amendments, if there is a conflict. Not that there is. "Interstate commerce means buying, selling and shipping accross state lines. Nothing more. Manufacturing, growing, mining, etc, even for sale and shipment out of state, does not.

30 posted on 07/17/2009 7:22:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
States don't have rights, only powers. People, and only people, have rights.

It's shocking how few (Conservatives included) understand this simple fact.
63 posted on 07/17/2009 11:30:38 PM PDT by WackySam (The fact that there are 24 hours in a day, and 24 beers in a case, is not a coincidence.)
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To: El Gato
Not that there is. "Interstate commerce means buying, selling and shipping accross state lines. Nothing more. Manufacturing, growing, mining, etc, even for sale and shipment out of state, does not.

Not so for practical purposes. In FDR's day the SCOTUS found that a farmer growing wheat, for his own consumption on his own farm, and the farm was totally enclosed within one state, was interstate commerce. This was done to advance the authority of the federal government in support of the new deal. The courts are corrupt and co-opted by the radical left. They are the hammer with which the destruction of the United States was effected. Presently, the constitution of the United States no longer applies to it's government and the power of the government is essentially unlimited. Even the free election process has been destroyed by leftist voter fraud. The restoration of constitutional limits upon the federal government will not be accomplished by the courts and is very unlikely to be accomplished by the ballot box. IMHO, unless we are incredibly lucky, for those of us on FR our choices will devolve to slavery or insurrection.

111 posted on 07/18/2009 8:07:02 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: El Gato

>>People, and only people, have rights.

People, and those collective Frankensteins vested with personhood - aka Corporations.

Corporatism IS Collectivism IS Communism: and all of the above are simply forms of fascism - where the Individual is subjugated by the collective structure of governance.


136 posted on 07/18/2009 2:29:10 PM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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