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The Long Road of Eugenics: From Rockefeller to Roe v. Wade (abortion, eugenics)
Othodoxy Today ^ | 11 October 2005 | Rebecca Messall

Posted on 07/17/2009 3:27:52 PM PDT by Lorianne

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To: Jaime2099

you are clearly a liberal b/c avoiding the issue is a standard tactic. You didn’t even answer my simple “yom” question. knowing stuff isn’t arrogance — it is called “knowledge.”

your tag is an insult to all Catholics as well as Christians who understand science (and linguistics).

your inability to understand,much less address my arguments speaks for itself.


21 posted on 07/18/2009 3:25:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
"you are clearly a liberal b/c avoiding the issue is a standard tactic. You didn’t even answer my simple “yom” question. knowing stuff isn’t arrogance — it is called “knowledge.” "

Ah, more shallow name calling from a Genesis hater. I am a conservative and proud of it, you calling me a liberal is foundation less. You have avoided talking about Darwinism and Human Evolution altogether, and I'm the liberal? By accepting Human Evolution you deny the Genesis story in the Bible, and if you deny the Genesis story then why not deny everything in the Bible? How do you pick and choose, at your own fancy? Is the Bible a buffet to you, pick what you like and leave the rest? While we are labeling each other a hater of things, I suppose I should label you a Genesis hater as you surely are.

Here's a question for you, do you hate Catholics and other Christians? Do you hate the Biblical Jesus?
22 posted on 07/19/2009 7:39:09 AM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Jaime2099

>>Ah, more shallow name calling from a Genesis hater. I am a conservative and proud of it, you calling me a liberal is foundation less. You have avoided talking about Darwinism and Human Evolution altogether, and I’m the liberal? By accepting Human Evolution you deny the Genesis story in the Bible, and if you deny the Genesis story then why not deny everything in the Bible? How do you pick and choose, at your own fancy? Is the Bible a buffet to you, pick what you like and leave the rest? While we are labeling each other a hater of things, I suppose I should label you a Genesis hater as you surely are.<<

LOL! I have made my position clear. You keep avoiding the direct questions I put to you. You, yourself, admit to “picking and choosing” since you use a “standard interpretation.” Well, in English “interpretation” does not mean literal. You can’t even address the etymology behind a simple single word.

I understand Genesis’ content and context. You clearly cannot. And, as I said, that inability combined with the way you “argue” by repeating yourself and totally ignoring direct questions and arguments put to you is how liberals argue. Conservatives are honest and will debate directly. Res ipsa loquitur.


23 posted on 07/19/2009 7:54:53 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
"I understand Genesis’ content and context. You clearly cannot. And, as I said, that inability combined with the way you “argue” by repeating yourself and totally ignoring direct questions and arguments put to you is how liberals argue. Conservatives are honest and will debate directly."

If you understand, then tell me what Genesis says on how Adam was not created as the first man. Please tell me how Genesis shows us that man evolved from animals. Never mind the fact that you did not say whether you hate Catholics or not, the fact that you avoided the question makes me wonder. Do you hate or love Jesus? Do you hate the Bible? You are not the only person who can question whether someone hates something or not.
24 posted on 07/19/2009 9:34:33 AM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Jaime2099
If you understand, then tell me what Genesis says on how Adam was not created as the first man. Please tell me how Genesis shows us that man evolved from animals.

It is silent on the detailed "how" of Adam's creation, as it is silent on the world's creation, on chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology and many other detailed subjects. It just says God created it all and I can find nothing wrong with that statement. Again, do you know what or how long a "yom" is? Do you know why I ask? Never mind the fact that you did not say whether you hate Catholics or not, the fact that you avoided the question makes me wonder.

I haven't avoided anything. I think Catholics are great -- I used be one, but I left the Church for philosophical reasons, not theological ones. You, OTOH, have yet to answer the very simple questions I have put to you. As I said, your tag is an insult to Catholics and thinking Christians. You have yet to defend yourself -- because you can't.

Do you hate or love Jesus?

Asked and answered. Read my posts about my relationship with God and Jesus (I love Them and They love me). Reading is fundamental.

Do you hate the Bible? You are not the only person who can question whether someone hates something or not.

Not only do I embrace the Bible and take it as God's Word -- from front to back -- I clearly know a lot more about it than you do. I took graduate level courses on the Bible when I was in college.

You have several questions still before you. You continue to "debate" like a liberal -- avoid the question, obfuscate and then just go straight into ad hominem. If you are not a liberal, you sure act like one. As I said: res ipsa loquitur (Google it).

I await your direct answers to my question -- after multiple reminders to you and dealing with your tantrums and feeble attempts to change the subject.

25 posted on 07/19/2009 10:47:45 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
"It is silent on the detailed "how" of Adam's creation"

It is not silent, the scripture clearly says that man was created in God's image. Yom in this context doesn't mean anything, it is pointless to bring it up. God said He created man in His own image, Yom has nothing to do with that.

"I haven't avoided anything. I think Catholics are great -- I used be one, but I left"

You still seem to have some ill feelings buried, but I'm glad you do not hate them.

"As I said, your tag is an insult to Catholics and thinking Christians."

Here's a qoute for you:

"So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.

While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution.

From http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp "


The Catholic church does not have an official stance either way, further proof of your phony words. Catholics cheer at my words as do Christians that are far smarter than you or I are. My tag line could only insult Catholics who believe the lie of Human Evolution, as I have proved above, many do not believe this lie and I applaud them for it.

I'm glad you said that you love Jesus, and it is my hope that one day you will see what a perverse lie Human Evolution is and realize the terrible harm it has caused to so many innocent children who were murdered because of this false religion.
26 posted on 07/19/2009 4:46:12 PM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Jaime2099

>>It is not silent, the scripture clearly says that man was created in God’s image. Yom in this context doesn’t mean anything, it is pointless to bring it up. God said He created man in His own image, Yom has nothing to do with that.<<

Words have meaning. Created how? And Yom is an example of just how it pretty much impossible for anyone to say they interpret the Bible literally.

>>The Catholic church does not have an official stance either way, further proof of your phony words. Catholics cheer at my words as do Christians that are far smarter than you or I are. My tag line could only insult Catholics who believe the lie of Human Evolution, as I have proved above, many do not believe this lie and I applaud them for it.<<

Something you do not comprehend is not a “lie.” It is just something you don’t understand. The Catholic Church in your quote specifically says one can be a Christian AND understand TToE. And many are and do. Your insult stands.

>>it is my hope that one day you will see what a perverse lie Human Evolution is and realize the terrible harm it has caused to so many innocent children who were murdered because of this false religion.<<

Which brings us back to Doe. Science is a tool. How it is wielded is where the evil lies. How you claim it caused children to be murdered is baffling. That tool has helped you if have taken advantage of any modern medical breakthrough, including prescription medicines (but also many medical procedures).

Covering your eyes doesn’t make the sun go away.


27 posted on 07/19/2009 7:39:40 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Related to this article: Below is a scan from the Congressional Record of 1970. Rep. G. H. W. Bush discusses population problems and family planning Legislation. IMO he was very much part of the move to population control and abortion.

Sadly, many Republicans are also to blame for where we are. We need to get the damn RINOS out.

Also Related to this article: National Security Study Memorandum 200 Blueprint for world de-population and western domination

http://www.lifesitenews.com/waronfamily/nssm200/index.html

Credit for scan goes Askel5.


28 posted on 07/26/2009 6:51:04 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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