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Democrats Drop Key Part (card check) of Bill to Assist Unions (still has binding arbitration)
New York Times ^ | July 16, 2009 | Steven Greenhouse

Posted on 07/17/2009 7:20:21 AM PDT by reaganaut1

A half-dozen senators friendly to labor have decided to drop a central provision [card check] of a bill that would have made it easier to organize workers.

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In its place, several Senate and labor officials said, the revised bill would require shorter unionization campaigns and faster elections.

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Though some details remain to be worked out, under the expected revisions, union elections would have to be held within five or 10 days after 30 percent of workers signed cards favoring having a union. Currently, the campaigns often run two months.

To further address labor’s concerns that the election process is tilted in favor of employers, key senators are considering several measures. One would require employers to give union organizers access to company property. Another would bar employers from requiring workers to attend anti-union sessions that labor supporters deride as “captive audience meetings.”

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While voicing confidence they have the 60 votes to pass the revised bill, labor leaders acknowledged an additional hurdle: two powerful Democrats, Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, are seriously ill.

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Business leaders say the current system is fair, asserting that unions lose so many elections because workers oppose paying union dues and do not feel they need unions to represent them.

Corporate lobbyists have indicated they would oppose fast elections, arguing that such a provision would deny employers ample opportunity to educate employees about the downside of unionizing, such as strikes and union dues.

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Business also opposes the bill’s provisions to have binding arbitration if an employer fails to reach a contract with a new union. Companies argue it would be wrong for government-designated arbitrators to dictate what a company’s wages and benefits should be.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: cardcheck; efca; unions
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I'm glad card check is out, but the bill still stinks, and must be defeated, because
(1) The government should not be setting wages and benefits through binding arbitration.
(2) Companies should be able to inform employees of the consequences of unionizing.
(3) Snap elections held within 5 to 10 days of 30% of workers signing cards does not allow the other 70% of employees enough time to think about the issues.
1 posted on 07/17/2009 7:20:21 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Card check was never the end goal. It was always about the binding arbitration.


2 posted on 07/17/2009 7:28:16 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (Iran doesnt have a 2nd admendment. Ya see how that turned out?)
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To: reaganaut1

If my employees ever voted to unionize,
I’d lock the doors and shut ‘er down
for good. They’d get 30 days pay. I’d
move on to businesses that don’t require
employees with benefits.


3 posted on 07/17/2009 7:30:01 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I’d move on to businesses that don’t require employees with benefits.

I bet your employees love you. That being said, I'm 100% against the government or unions telling you that you have to provide benefits.

4 posted on 07/17/2009 7:32:01 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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To: reaganaut1
Though some details remain to be worked out, under the expected revisions, union elections would have to be held within five or 10 days after 30 percent of workers signed cards favoring having a union. Currently, the campaigns often run two months.

what is currently the card signing threshold for elections? isn't it higher than 30%?

is this really a victory?

5 posted on 07/17/2009 7:45:57 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://www.stink-eye.net)
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To: reaganaut1

They will slip it back in at the 11th hour, it’s not gone.


6 posted on 07/17/2009 7:50:50 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new environmentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Why give them 30 days pay? When the voted to unionize, they voted to quit.

The reality is that this bill, in conjunction with cap & tax, will kill off the rump of manufacturing in the USA and turn us into a 3rd world country.


7 posted on 07/17/2009 7:57:18 AM PDT by henkster (A "Living Constitution" yields a Dead Republic)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
If my employees ever voted to unionize, I’d lock the doors and shut ‘er down for good. They’d get 30 days pay. I’d move on to businesses that don’t require employees with benefits.

As your liberty should allow you to do so.

8 posted on 07/17/2009 8:06:33 AM PDT by frogjerk (It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible - George Washington)
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To: VanDeKoik
It was always about the binding arbitration.

You have to love what it did to baseball players salaries.

9 posted on 07/17/2009 8:25:44 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: east1234
They will slip it back in at the 11th hour, it’s not gone.

Yep --

10 posted on 07/17/2009 8:42:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Dan Nunn

“I bet your employees love you.

They do. They are provided for in a great
work environment.

But, if they reject it through unionization,
I’m not willing to take large risks to live
with a union. I’ll simply move on. Future
businesses will use independent contractors
on a project basis.

I ain’t doing it.

ampu


11 posted on 07/17/2009 8:55:10 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Uncle Chip
They will slip it back in at the 11th hour, it’s not gone.

Yep --

Absolutely. That's why they used their propaganda arm, the NY Slimes.

12 posted on 07/17/2009 9:05:59 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: reaganaut1

Card check was the red herring to distract us all, folks.

What they really want is the binding arbitration. That is where the money is and power/control by the unions over business through extortion.


13 posted on 07/17/2009 9:24:45 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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To: reaganaut1

Think unemployment is bad now? Wait to see what will happen if this Bill were to pass.

I can hear the giant sucking sound off in the distance.


14 posted on 07/17/2009 9:30:52 AM PDT by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

“a bill that would have made it easier to organize workers.”

This is a lie. It would have made it LEGAL to FORCE workers into unions, wether they wanted it or not.


15 posted on 07/17/2009 10:20:11 AM PDT by Grunthor (Does a crowded elevator smell different to midgets?)
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To: reaganaut1

They say the current system is tilted towards employers, yet only 30% of the employees have to sign cards favoring a union to trigger a union election.


16 posted on 07/17/2009 10:27:00 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Ping!
17 posted on 07/17/2009 6:53:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: reaganaut1

The lawyers are getting ready for Card Check:

“July 2009
Employee Free Choice Act Update

In an effort to help secure 60 votes (and avoid a filibuster in the Senate), some congressional supporters of the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) have proposed an alternate version of the Act that would drop the “card check” aspect of the bill and instead push for shorter election times (5 or 10 days)—sometimes referred to as “ambush elections.” If card check is eliminated from the EFCA, it is expected to substantially accelerate passage of the bill, as several key Democrats were reluctant to support the EFCA with the card check provision.

As you know, when the EFCA was introduced in the Senate (and passed in the House of Representatives), it had three parts:

· Card check;
· Mandatory arbitration for the first contract after union certification if a deal is not reached in 90 days; and
· Heightened penalties for unfair labor practices committed during an organizing campaign.

At this time, no new bill has been released, but it is expected that the latest version would include mandatory arbitration, heightened penalties for unfair labor practices and a new provision for shorter election times.

Under either version of the EFCA, union organizing efforts will increase dramatically. If you have not already developed your union avoidance strategy, we strongly urge you to do so now.”


18 posted on 07/17/2009 7:10:36 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Dan Nunn
What is this "I bet your employees love you!" stuff?

aMorePerfectUnion is the EMPLOYER! He provides the capital that provides the jobs and he has a perfect right to define his workers duties and benefits. And he has the right to shut it down if they try to strong arm him into redefining his workers' benefits.

19 posted on 07/18/2009 3:39:20 AM PDT by REPANDPROUDOFIT (no more "till death do us part" public workers!)
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To: REPANDPROUDOFIT
He provides the capital that provides the jobs and he has a perfect right to define his workers duties and benefits. And he has the right to shut it down if they try to strong arm him into redefining his workers' benefits.

You completely missed my point. Any employer provides that, and it's his right to provide just that. I was remarking on his line, "I’d move on to businesses that don’t require employees with benefits," which (either incorrectly or correctly) to me seemed that he didn't see the value in providing benefits for his employees.

No one said he had to, in fact, I reinforced that at the end of my post. He rebutted by saying he provides his employees a great working environment - so I left it at that. But most successful businesses realize that their most important asset is their employees, which is why Southwest Airlines' philosophy is Employees first, customers second.

Let me repeat the end of my first post though: That being said, I'm 100% against the government or unions telling you that you have to provide benefits.

20 posted on 07/18/2009 8:01:00 AM PDT by Dan Nunn (Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
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