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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the daily laugh. I like how the author attempts to wrap ID in the flag to somehow justify it.


3 posted on 07/16/2009 10:40:54 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: blowfish

Do you have something against historical accuracy? Typical leftist.


13 posted on 07/16/2009 11:24:26 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: blowfish
Jefferson and the other founders of the this country did believe in an intelligent designer, a Creator and to point that out isn't wrapping anything in any flag.

Unfortunately, intelligent design has become chiefly, or much, associated with the Discovery Institute’s version, Intelligent Design, whereas many of us, for want of a better term, do believe in an intelligent designer quite apart from the Discovery Institute’s ideas on the subject.

And it was the belief in a Creator, an intelligent, active one, that caused the founders to proclaim that certain rights accrued to “all men” not from fiat grants of legislation or generosity of the King but from this Creator and thus were not subject to repeal by man and required no more justification, being truths “self evident”.

But here, you, appropriately self named ‘blowfish’, come to mock something you apparently don't understand well enough to discuss.

You can laugh, we all can laugh, but why would you think it was with you and not at you?

20 posted on 07/16/2009 11:41:52 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: blowfish

The significance, I believe, is not in asserting a particular origin of the universe, but rather that the founders, in this case Jefferson, wanted to establish “self evident truths” that were transcendent and thus, we would be able to derive transcendent rights from those principles. Also by establishing “self-evident” truths of “the laws of nature and of Nature’s God,” the Founder’s were asserting that the virtues of good citizenship would arise from the common recognition of those self-evident truths beyond the boundary of religious dogmas that required an adherence to a particular faith and tended to divide. This is why Jefferson emphasized an empirical reality to God. . i.e. the self-evident truths. . .even to the extent that faith in God would not be necessary to perceive them and apply the resulting virtues of good citizenship. Such a virtuous populace was essential to the American Republican form of government and, therefore, religion had an essential civil role.


41 posted on 07/16/2009 12:49:33 PM PDT by McBuff
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