To: Dixie Yooper
Exactly.
Don’t chant victory, yet.
They could have rescinded his deployment orders to convene a court martial for insubordination (among other charges possible). Regardless of what happens here, this officer is looking at jail time (at worst) or a dishonorable discharge (at best). (A sign of the times, I’d say...)
I sympathize with what this Major is trying to do — I really do. But none of you actually think that Obama will be forced to step down, do you? IF Obama is not a “natural born citizen” at this moment, there is nobody in government with the guts to say it out loud. More to the point, the key issue is a definitional one: “What constitutes a ‘natural born citizen’?”. No matter what happens at the lower rungs of the judicial system, I can guarantee you that the Supreme Court will define “natural born citizen” in such a way that Obama will qualify for the Presidency. I wouldn’t be too surprised if such a decision was a unanimous one, by the way: “In the best interests of the country”.
To: ForeignDude
What’s the name of the soldier being sent to fight in his place? I prefer to credit the real hero here.
To: ForeignDude; Dixie Yooper; DieHard the Hunter
But none of you actually think that Obama will be forced to step down, do you? IF Obama is not a “natural born citizen” at this moment, there is nobody in government with the guts to say it out loud. More to the point, the key issue is a definitional one: “What constitutes a ‘natural born citizen’?”. No matter what happens at the lower rungs of the judicial system, I can guarantee you that the Supreme Court will define “natural born citizen” in such a way that Obama will qualify for the Presidency. I wouldn’t be too surprised if such a decision was a unanimous one, by the way: “In the best interests of the country”. Well said. Bears repeating.
To which I'd add:
This is clearly now a judicial oligarchy, not a constitutional republic.
[We] are depending on one tiny branch to respect the Constitution when every other segment of the Republic has ignored it in this case: Electorate, Congress, outgoing POTUS, governors, state legislatures, generals, colonels, ambassadors, past presidents, etc, etc.
Zero is de facto POTUS and the bar to foreign presidents has been dropped.
In fact, I'd not be surprised if at the end of his term, he doesn't force the issue himself as a final insult to say, "aha! you allowed it, so it is now ok."
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To: ForeignDude
Except you are assuming that all of this legal challenge is happening in a vaccuum. These legal things are going to be advancing during a time when Obama' political capital may well be melting away, too. There could be other cases arise outside of the military where the government is trying to enforce some executive order. Or even the collection of taxes might be callenged. It could become burdensome on the government to have to deal with this issue in case after case where it (the government) is initiating the case and the defendant demands proof that the President lawfully holds his office. If Obama's political popularity evaporates, this will become a major issue. At some point he may well be forced to show his birth certificate. I am not predicting anything and tend toward being as cynical as you sound. Just because all of those people voted for him does not mean they will always love him. Both Bushes had 90% approval at one point in their presidency and both went into the tank. If he gets unpopular, people will want to believe he is a liar and deceiver and illegitimate.
To: ForeignDude
Nonesense, issues like this force people to do what they don’t want to do. If you are saying the entire political establishment is corrupt beyond redemption then we may as well just give up hope or reforming our nation.
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