Posted on 07/14/2009 12:29:56 AM PDT by restornu
Cap and Trade Explained (in plain old English
Cap and Trade is a tax, but it's not any ordinary tax. It's a tax on energy which means it's a tax on every level of production. Don't let Congress pass this crazy and destructive tax without understanding what it's going to do to your bottom line. Make no mistake. Your standard of living is going down while your taxes are going up!
No, it is not a tax on energy per se. It is a tax on energy production that releases carbon. Energy production that releases less carbon is less taxes. Pretty basic economics and that is the point - tax the bad thing and encourage the good thing.
Whether one accepts climate change science or not, the cap and trade regime is a widely accepted and feesible process. It has worked perfectly with Sulphur and Nitrogen dioxides in coal production - dramatically reducing the cost of the clean technology and nearly eliminating acid rain.
Wind, solar and other low-CO2 energy sources are currently more expensive than especially coal. The theory is that the price of coal does not include the external cost of CO2 release which causes climate change. Cap and trade puts a price on that CO2 to make energy production of low-CO2 more competitive or energy efficiency more economical.
There is no difference between driving filling the tank of a car that 20 mpg at $2 a gallon and one that gets 40mpg at $4 a gallon other than the carbon released. Thus the market incentive to do it.
The natural rise in the cost of oil proved that anyway - except that money when to the Saudis, Iranians and Hugo Chavez.
Feel free to debate climate change, but cap and trade is a very sensible way to deal with the problem if you accept that it is a problem.
Yeah, merely a tax on almost all our energy.
I feel better.
Ahhhh... and there's the problem! If CO2 is a problem, then how much bigger a problem is water vapor, and why aren't we trying to "cap and trade" water vapor?
Well, obviously, because it is an utter impossibility to make any impact on atmospheric water vapor through a cap and trade regime. Similarly, the impact on global CO2 resulting from this "cap and trade" BS will have virtually no measurable effect on global CO2.
Cap and trade for specific pollutants can have beneficial effects locally, as opposed to globally, but a cap and trade on CO2 has NO local benefits whatsoever.
It is pure economic waste, much like digging and filling in holes.
Like I said, attack the science of climate change, but not the logic of cap and trade.
Cap and trade will do exactly what it is intended to do and it is a fairly effective mechanism.
If you want to drink less water, eat less salt. This might not be good for your health in any respect, but it will be effective. Cap and trade might not make a difference at all to climate change, but it will effectively reduce the amount of CO2 in energy at the comparively low cost becaues it is market-based. That is all I am saying.
Hmmmm, lets have a collision, I'm driving the 20 mpg SUV, your driving the 40mpg go-cart. No difference? You need to THINK before you type.
Oh, while we are trying to manipulate society, how about we make minimum wage $100/hr, we all get rich that way, right?
If I recall a statement made by Rush correctly, he said that, “C&T will cost the average home owner $72,000 in additional taxes over the next twenty-five years”.
Didn’t Palin support McCain’s version of cap and trade when interviewed by Couric?
I strongly doubt it. Did she say what she was told to say for the team? Possibly.
Didn’t Palin support McCain’s version of cap and trade when interviewed by Couric?
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there is an interview in may 28, 2009 with Couric I keep hearing on Midnight trucker who keep saying she does support a cap and trade but have not been able to find it.
Midnight truckers
They say until Palin clarifies this they will not support her I did email the the Wash. Post article for Tues they still say she supports a cap & trade which the gov should not be involved in.
http://www.midnighttrucking.com/
I know that some alternative fuels can become economically feasible when oil’s at around $50 a barrel. Try to fix a price of $50, a floor. If oil is under $50, we’ll tax up to $50. If oil is $35, we’ll tax $15. Take the tax proceeds and buy and store the oil.
Manufacturers of ethanol, shale oil, tar sands, etc will appreciate that they won’t be in a situation where they build a big mine or manufacturing area and find that they can make oil for $50 a barrel and they can’t sell it because oil is going for $40 a barrel.
Look closely at what Goldman Sachs has done to these markets. Goldman Sachs are not the good guys.
I guess you either have this or eager for it
Canada Health Care
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/scrowder/2009/07/13/must-see-undercover-expose-of-socialized-healthcare/
And what I am saying is that it isn’t worth any cost AT ALL. It is pure nothing for something.
Uhhh we are talking about cap and trade for energy and not health care FRiend.
These are two different things and cannot be compared. Go study and Econ 101 textbook and comeback later.
I might also add that you ability to only read English limits you to the British and Canadian healthcare systems as examples.
If you could see the way that Germany, Japan and (gasp) France do it, you might have a different idea.
McCain Talks Trade, Energy in Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ6jJjryoSA
Forbes: Cap-And-Trade Won’t ‘Get Very Far’ Under McCain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aibPg9XHeYY
McCain discusses cap-and-trade system in NH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr5RfBirIkE
Cap and Trade Plan Will Bankrupt Coal Industry (Flashback on Obama Biden)
http://www.youtube.com ^ | September 23, 2008 | www.youtube.com
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 12:15:32 PM by Maelstorm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2280046/posts
You missed the point which FR Americans recognized it has nothing to do with the planet or health care but a back door tax!
There folks promoting these fairy tale could care less about the planet or health it is about power and control.
These programs have nothing to do with idealism.
Even the Chancellor Merkle question his motives
I might also add that you ability to only read English limits you to the British and Canadian healthcare systems as examples.
I agree with you there was ta time the major languages were taught here in the 50’s than it was taken off the curriculum.
I have a little understanding through my study of Opera.
If the lights ever go out in America the rest of the free world will no longer have what little sovereignty you have.
Like I said, I was not pointing out with my comments anything related to the actual need to reduce CO2 emissions.
I was just saying that Cap and Trade has proven a relatively effective and low-cost way to reduce emissions. It is a market-based mechanism that works to achieve its goal efficiently. The goal itself is another topic.
Off topic, sorry, but enlighten me.
My 70 yr old father had bad knees, within 1 month of him and his doctor deciding to rebuild his knees, he had one done, then 3 months later, the other. He is now out dancing several times a month. (year later) How long would that take in countries you mentioned?
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