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To: allmendream; metmom
"What I mean by a Geocentrist is someone that disagrees with the scientific model that the Earth moves around the Sun and thinks that this model is inferior to or at least equivalent to a model that has the Sun moving around the Earth."

As Ellis points out. There is no 'scientific' model of geokineticism, only philosophical ones.

So...using your definition, I am not a geocentrist.

"People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations,” Ellis argues. “For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations.” Ellis has published a paper on this. “You can only exclude it on philosophical grounds. In my view there is absolutely nothing wrong in that. What I want to bring into the open is the fact that we are using philosophical criteria in choosing our models. A lot of cosmology tries to hide that.”

Ellis, George, in Scientific American, "Thinking Globally, Acting Universally", October 1995

376 posted on 07/16/2009 1:50:57 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
You most certainly ARE by my definition as you claim that the movement of the Earth, or “geokineticism”, as being at least equivalent to a model of an unmoving Earth in the quotes you provided.

Do you consider YOURSELF a geocentrist?

Do you think the Earth is in orbit around the Sun?

379 posted on 07/16/2009 1:59:24 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GourmetDan

If it’s an equal scientific theory that the sun revolves around the Earth, how does the Earth hold the sun in its orbit through simple attractive forces when the sun has a mass 332,000+ times that of the Earth.


452 posted on 07/17/2009 7:59:45 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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