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To: allmendream; CottShop

I will take a look at your lame and outdated ERV “argument” when I get home. And quite trying to transfer you feeling of self-loathing for dropping out onto me. I was going to say it’s beneath you, but now I’m not so sure. Let’s just say it is enough that you understand the source of your self-loathing (dropping out of grad school), and that you keep it to yourself, lest others identify the real reason and reopen old wounds.

Until later, all the best—GGG :op


275 posted on 07/15/2009 2:17:39 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I am quite proud of my Masters Degree in Molecular and Cell Biology Gutless.

Are you equally proud of your useless degree in Administering Administration to Administrators?

And I have come to expect the worst of juvenile and asinine and uncivil behavior from you GGG, so nothing you could do would do other than pleasantly surprise me, and you have yet to do so.

And if you already knew the subject you would know what it said before looking, once again showing that besides being ignorant, you are less than forthcoming with the truth.

276 posted on 07/15/2009 2:40:12 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GodGunsGuts

In another forum discussing this issue awhile back, someone brought up a great point about ‘similarities, and why they do NOT automatically mean common descent (as claimed by macroevolutionists who constantly argue that homology must mean common descent)

Comparing a car to a jet, there are probably several commonly shared points of failures between hte two models, stress points common to hte two designs, but one wouldn’t argue that the car is evolved fro mthe jet, or vise versa, simply because the two shared common failure points, but one could and very well SHOULD argue for common design by pointing out the similarities. As well, what macroevolutionists IGNORe is the FACT that while htere are some similarities, there are myriads of biological differences for which any amount of itme simply could NOT produce/evolve between our two species kinds.

As well, it must also be a very reasonable conlusion to make that flaws shared between two objects such as a car and a jet MIGHT very well have those flaws DESIGNED in for a purpose- such as crumple zones meant ot protect the passengers, break away joints again meant ot protect etc etc etc. The two objects, have a number of simlarities outside of the flaws as well, but again, pointing to such similarities, and suggesting hte one evolved or descended from the other is rediculous- they are clearly designed, and have infact, common design elements in both objects. One may also find many similarities between jets and lawnmowers, similar flaws, similar vulnerabilities, but again, they do NOT infer common descent, but rather common design. I realize some people are desperate to prove that they are descended from simple chimps, but it’s a stretch of the imagination to point ot scant few similarities, while ignoring hte vast biological differences, and claim that those DESIGNED similarities point ot common descent.

As someone pointed out, man and mice share ERV insertion locatiosn as well, so apparently we must hterefore be descended from both chimps and mice at hte same time? http://www.pnas.org/content/102/3/725.abstract

IF two similarly designed species had similarly designed information, and viruses engaged a specie’s biological ability to communicate informaiton, in htis case, an insertion of foreign information, in similar manners, and these viruses had PREFERRED insertion points, or hot spots as you said, then it is only reasonable to conclude that there would indeed be similarities between the ERVs seen in BOTH species. The viruses enact communication, and trigger information, which inturn engages a response in both species which are similarly designed, and of course the reaction and subsequent results will be similar in both species- resultign in ERVs having been inserted in two similar locations. As well, as noted, given hte myriad of viruses and mutaitons bombarding all species, it is NO surprise then to find a number of similar insertion points affected by similar viruses that affect similarly designed species, which in turn becoem fixed in BOTH species at hte same time.

DNA repairs itself with amazing accuracy, and given hte fact that the information to do so MUST be present in any species BEFORE the species supposedly macroevolved, Macroevos have yet to explain how such information arose i nthe first place- and as stated, since two species have a common design, and since hte informaiton is similar in the two species, it would be only reasonable to expect the reactions woudl be similar in reponse ot hte communicaiton activation resulting from invasions- A Wise Creator would have seen to it that invasions, while mostly detrimental, would ALSO be utilized in positive ways by similarly designed creatures as hte species adapted to environmental stresses.

As well, Chemical responses, DESIGNED to activate in similar manners when encountering environmental stresses, in similarly designed species, STRONGLY goes to show that species specific informaiton, with all it’s boundaries and parameters, can still be similar between species kind, but NOT go towards proving common descent- especially given hte FACT that there are myriad dissimilarities between hte species, information that is species specific, and which is NOT shared by hte two species, for which macroevolution has no explanation for- the differences in information are so vast, so varied, that it’s simply silly for macroevolutionsits to continually keep pointign to scant few similarities and claiming common descent.

As pointed out about hte jet and car, two objects or species can show a number of similarities, but be perfectly uniquely designed seperate species or objects, and it woudl be silly to keep insisting that the scant few similarities point to common descent when so much evidence exists to show the vast dissimilarities, and the OBVIOUSLY DESIGNED unique structures of hte two wholly different species or objects.


453 posted on 07/17/2009 8:00:45 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GodGunsGuts
The following is a very strong argument showing that information MUST be present FIRST, and that viruses simply engage that info which is similarly designed in two species, and it also shows that ERVs work on hot spot insertion points which are similar in both species, and hwich DO have function and IS controlled by species specific info which may be similar between two species- or several species as you'll see in the following article. The argument that similarities in insertion points between two species indicates common descent is far from the truth of hte matter- and amounts to nothign more than a religious assumption that defies, once again, the scientific evidence to the contrary- but alas- the religious dogma of Darwinism must be preserved at all cost- even at hte cost of sound science it appears!

"It was assumed that Referring to a type of virus that contains RNA as its genetic material. The RNA of the virus is translated into DNA, which inserts itself into an infected cell's own DNAretroviral The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences in human Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA represented leftover Functional and physical units of heredity passed from parent to offspring. Genes are pieces of DNA, and most genes contain the information for making a specific protein.genes from infection of Viruses that contains RNA as their genetic material. The RNA of these viruses are translated into DNA, which inserts itself into an infected cell's own DNA.retroviruses. However, a new study demonstrates that these The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences actually block the infection of human cells with certain Viruses that contains RNA as their genetic material. The RNA of these viruses are translated into DNA, which inserts itself into an infected cell's own DNA.retroviruses (70). So, now these The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences seem to posses a vital function.

Is there any "junk"?

The first systematic analysis of a significant portion of the human All the DNA contained in an organism or a cell, which includes both the chromosomes within the nucleus and the DNA in mitochondria.genome was published in June, 2007 (see below). The analysis attempted to determine the function of entire regions of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA. The results showed that, although only a small amount of the All the DNA contained in an organism or a cell, which includes both the chromosomes within the nucleus and the DNA in mitochondria.genome codes for An organic compound made of amino acids arranged in a linear chain, joined together by peptide bonds between the carboxyl and amino groups of the adjacent amino acid residues.protein, most of the rest is still transcribed into Ribonucleic acid: a chemical that directs the manufacture of proteins and sometimes codes for the genetic material within certain organisms.RNA, which functions in ways not described before. As more is learned about the structure of the human All the DNA contained in an organism or a cell, which includes both the chromosomes within the nucleus and the DNA in mitochondria.genome, it is apparent that most (if not all) of the DNA that does not carry the information necessary to code for a protein.non-coding regions of Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA are required for the proper functioning of the Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA.

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Other studies have demonstrated the remarkable similarity of The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence homology in the A cell surface marker characteristic of a special class of lymphocytes, found in the blood and lymphoid tissues, that produce cytokines or interact with other immune cells to facilitate immune responsiveness.T-cell receptor Functional and physical units of heredity passed from parent to offspring. Genes are pieces of DNA, and most genes contain the information for making a specific protein.genes of mice and humans.

Scientists compared the Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence of nearly 100 1,000 pairs of nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.kilobases of contiguous Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA in the C delta to C alpha region of the alpha/delta A cell surface marker characteristic of a special class of lymphocytes, found in the blood and lymphoid tissues, that produce cytokines or interact with other immune cells to facilitate immune responsiveness.

T-cell receptor Multiple places on a chromosome where specific genes or genetic markers are located, a kind of address for the gene.loci (TCRAC/TCRDC) of mice and human beings. This analysis, the largest genomic The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence comparison so far, identified a very high level of organizational and DNA that does not carry the information necessary to code for a protein.non-coding The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence similarity (approximately 71%). The authors conclude, "This observation begins to question the notion that much of the Relating to one of the threadlike 'packages' of genes and other DNA in the nucleus of a cell. Different kinds of organisms have different numbers of chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, 46 in all: 44 autosomes and two sex chromosomes. Each parent contributes one chromosome to each pair, so children get half of their chromosomes from their mothers and half from their fathers.chromosomal DNA that does not carry the information necessary to code for a protein.non-coding The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence is junk (7).

More definitive studies have shown that DNA that does not carry the information necessary to code for a protein.non-coding Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA provides structure to Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA so that it can perform many functions which would be impossible without some form of structure. One of the readily apparent differences between prokaryotic and Referring to living organisms that are characterized by a membrane-bound nucleus in which the DNA is housed.eukaryotic Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA is that Referring to living organisms that are characterized by a membrane-bound nucleus in which the DNA is housed.eukaryotic Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA is organized into Threadlike "packages" of genes and other DNA in the nucleus of a cell. Different kinds of organisms have different numbers of chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, 46 in all: 44 autosomes and two sex chromosomes. Each parent contributes one chromosome to each pair, so children get half of their chromosomes from their mothers and half from their fathers.chromosomes, which is further organized into The complex of DNA and protein that makes up chromosomes.chromatin code. This kind of structure does not "just happen" for Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA - it requires specific design.

Well over 700 studies (over 100 in the last year) have demonstrated the role of DNA that does not carry the information necessary to code for a protein.non-coding Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA as enhancers for The process by which the DNA sequence of a gene is copied by RNA polymerase to produce a complementary nucleotide messenger RNA strand.transcription of proximal Functional and physical units of heredity passed from parent to offspring. Genes are pieces of DNA, and most genes contain the information for making a specific protein.genes.

Recent completion of All the DNA contained in an organism or a cell, which includes both the chromosomes within the nucleus and the DNA in mitochondria.genome sequencing for many diverse vertebrates has revealed long The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences (at least 200 bp) of DNA that does not carry the information necessary to code for a protein.non-coding Deoxyribonucleic acid: the chemical inside the nucleus of a cell that carries the genetic instructions for making living organisms.DNA that are identical or nearly identical. Between humans and mice, 481 of these The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences are 100% identical (71). Between humans and dogs, the The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences are 99% identical.

Even between humans and chickens, the The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences are 95% identical. These The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences are found on all humans Threadlike "packages" of genes and other DNA in the nucleus of a cell. Different kinds of organisms have different numbers of chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes, 46 in all: 44 autosomes and two sex chromosomes. Each parent contributes one chromosome to each pair, so children get half of their chromosomes from their mothers and half from their fathers.chromosomes except 21 and Y. The probability is less than one chance in 1022 of finding even one such The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence in 2.9 billion Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.bases under a simple model of neutral evolution with independent Replacement of one nucleotide in a DNA sequence by another nucleotide or replacement of one amino acid in a protein by another amino acid.substitutions at each site.

Among numerous human individuals, there is almost no The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequence variation (only 6 out of over 100,000 Two nucleotides on opposite complementary DNA or RNA strands that are connected via hydrogen bonds.bases). The highly unlikely existence of these identical The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences indicate that they must absolutely required for survival, since the natural A permanent structural alteration in DNA, consisting of either a substitution, insertion or deletion of nucleotide bases.mutation rate in humans would have been expected to produce at least 20 times more variation than what is observed. [LINK]

455 posted on 07/17/2009 8:56:50 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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