[tpanther]

Remember, according to you, materialism is all that there is. How does brute matter evolve to consciousness? According to darwinists, the physical world is all that there is. Why can't the liver, spleen or pancreas provide for consciousness? Given your non-negotiable starting point, I will be interested in your answer. Will you explain why brute matter provides for sentience. How did that happen? In other words, how do you get something from nothing? HOw do you get consciouns, living, thinking, feeling, believing creatures from material which does not have that? That would be getting something from nothing. How do you get mind to squirt forth from mindless, dead , brute matter? If darwinism cannot account for rationality, then how is it they claim they are the arbitors of rationality? How does 'rational thought' come forth from covalent bonds of atoms? Remember, scientific materialism says all there is is matter/energy...

This must account for the scientists studying prayer and then with a complete straight face, the cultists parrot the demand that God be kept out of the science classrooms or demanding religion not be dragged into the science classroom or science debate while simultaneously dragging the Pope into the equation. :)

Seriously, liberals are all over the map. I think they simply gave up on getting out the myriad memos and are so utterly confused they just don't even try to keep up anymore. Such as "origins is somehow sterlie from or unrelated to evolution", for instance.

This has too many red flags screaming ***CULT***!!!!!

[Texas Songwriter]

The theory which they laud and which validates their existence is crumbling all around them. Their willingness to confabulate, even conspire in weaving a series of lies is astonishing. Clearly their a priori commitment to materialism is their faith and their sofistry knows no limits. It becomes disgusting after a while. I am humored by such claims as, “the theory of evolution does not deal with origin (first cell, or origin of the universe)”. They cry “Kings X...time out....lets get the rules worked out before we begin discussing these matters.....or another way to deal with a theistic universe is for them to say....”O.K. give us an 11 billion year headstart, give us the progenitor cell,...and give us the atmosphere we want , and we will engage in your discussion.” They have painted themselves into a corner with the declaration that all there is is materialism and this will be discovered by scientific methodological examination. Well, O.K., lets talk about that. But they do not want to talk about that. They infer it is not fair to speak of origin. Where did they get the notion that ‘fairness’ evolved from dead matter? Fairness is a moral assertion and there is no natural law in darwinistic materialism which they will affirm which could have evolved. They claim to be arbitors of reason, yet reason itself cannot be accounted for by materialism. Yet they clammor to ring the bells of derision to intimidate. Denying anything other than materialism they cannot justify or explain the concious mind, logic, love, hate, justice, sentience, or selfless acts. In denying these qualities the neodarwinist have only materialism with which to explain them. They cannot, but cry foul when such is pointed out to them. Without the slightest justification to account for logic and reason, they thump their chests and claim reason their exclusive domain. When asked about this, they begin ad hominem attacks or evasive maneuvers almost unmatched by Pattons third army. They lay claim to science as the only residence of truth, yet darwinism cannot account for truth. It cannot examine truth. It cannot, through scientific methodology, examine truth, and therefore, in their worldview, must be forced to admit its denial of existence. How much does truth weigh? What is the molecular formula for logic or reason? The echo of these questions remain unanswered by the materialist, nothwithstanding their vitriol. When asked if truth can be known to a materialist, they say yes, but they cannot say how. This is what vexes them. Ask the materialist darwinsit to tell us how truth could be asserted by molecules the answer....silence (other than their squeals of Unfair! Unfair!)

[ZULU]

“This must account for the scientists studying prayer and then with a complete straight face, the cultists parrot the demand that God be kept out of the science classrooms or demanding religion not be dragged into the science classroom or science debate while simultaneously dragging the Pope into the equation. :)”

???????????????? Faith deals with morality, religion and salvation. It has nothing to do with science. Science deals with facts, theories and experiments. It has nothing to do with faith, morality and salvation. You perspective is seriously defective.

“Seriously, liberals are all over the map. I think they simply gave up on getting out the myriad memos and are so utterly confused they just don’t even try to keep up anymore.”

I’m not a liberal.

“Such as “origins is somehow sterlie from or unrelated to evolution”, for instance.

Evoution explains the “how,” not the “why.” The “why” should be left up to theologians and philosphers, where it belongs

The total inability of certain fundamentalists to distinguish between religion and science, faith and facts, amazes me.