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Kids Recant Abuse After Dad Serves Time
Associated Press ^ | July 12, 2009 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/12/2009 9:02:50 AM PDT by libstripper

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To: beachandmountains

Oh wait, you just signed up today, I should have known.


41 posted on 07/12/2009 10:57:37 AM PDT by svcw (Barry: mentally deficient & narcissistic misogynist megalomaniac psychopath w/ paranoid delusions)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

either that or the witness protection program. i wd be hunting them both down


42 posted on 07/12/2009 11:03:57 AM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: Kansas58
It took 20 years for them to confess?

I can see when they were still young children.

But at some point when they were far more conscious, they should have come forward.

Think about a COP in jail on CHILD MOLESTATION charges.

An INNOCENT cop.

And think of the double hell that guy went through.

43 posted on 07/12/2009 11:10:37 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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To: svcw

See my post 43. I know kids can be manipulated by evil adults. But 20 years to recant? That’s what I was referring to.


44 posted on 07/12/2009 11:11:57 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-face fascism.)
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To: libstripper

Unfortunately, things don’t ever get simple in these cases. Memory is surprisingly changeable. If a overeager prosecutor gets you to identify the perpertrator of a crime by using inappropriate ID techniques, you will “remember” your indentification even though it may not match the original perp. That’s why many witnesses in death row cases have proven to be inaccurate, when their ID is tested by DNA methods.

High profile, “important” cases put pressure on prosecutors for convictions. Investigators stretch the ID rules. Witnesses are lead by the investigators. By the time its all over, the witness has a firm, but incorrect, recollection of the crime.

Children are even more vulnerable to these distortions. Many of these kids, lead by overeager investigators, have quite clear and damaging memories of abuse that never occurred in reality.

Don’t blame the kids. A corrupt and determined investigator can get about any kid to testify to about anything. In many cases, the investigator can get them to “remember” facts to support their testimony as well.

The ugly truth is that there are thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of innocent people in jail because our memories are not as firm as we would like to believe them to be.


45 posted on 07/12/2009 11:40:18 AM PDT by VaFarmer
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Bad cops trick people into false confessions all the time. You can say “I'd never confess to a crime I didn't commit!”, but they are trained to do it and you are trained to be honest. They can even convince you that you did it but blocked out the memory.

When they'd do this to little kids, it was easy. The kids believed Mom and the nice doctors and nice cops and wanted it over with. I don't blame the kids at all. It took them years to realize this was all crap.

Given the hysteria of the times, I could even cut a little slack to the Mom and original prosecutor. But, the creep STILL trying to defend this atrocity should be disbarred immediately.

Oh, and Mitt Romney's cowardice in the infamous Amirault case renders him unfit for office as well. Look that up, if you have the stomach for it.

46 posted on 07/12/2009 11:49:43 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments
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To: VaFarmer

Oops. You wrote what I was trying to write. Only you did it better!

;)


47 posted on 07/12/2009 11:52:04 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments
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To: Vaquero
You are so blinded by rage (a common affliction among liberals) that you left out this partof post #17:

hence, I'd have voted not guilty in that case, since jurors are only to consider the evidence actually presented.

48 posted on 07/12/2009 11:54:36 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: Balding_Eagle; Vaquero

That the parents took the $25 million is what has always bothered me most. If someone touched one of my children money couldn’t buy me off.


49 posted on 07/12/2009 11:58:16 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Balding_Eagle
I left it off on purpose....if he was guilty of one act of sodomy with a child, I do not need to see another trial to know he is a child molester....

Rage? Luckily I am neither a parent of an abused child nor was I one myself.

Had either of these situations existed, I would have shown rage that would have most likely caused the demise of the perp.

You are so blinded with love for your hero, Michael, the King Of Pop(ping young boys), (a common affliction among liberal @$$holes), that you forget to look at the pervert and life ruiner for what he really is....

50 posted on 07/12/2009 1:48:26 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: HungarianGypsy

the child’s parents were filth and deserve the same punishment as a child molester should get.


51 posted on 07/12/2009 1:50:58 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: VaFarmer
Unfortunately, things don’t ever get simple in these cases. Memory is surprisingly changeable. If a overeager prosecutor gets you to identify the perpertrator of a crime by using inappropriate ID techniques, you will “remember” your indentification even though it may not match the original perp. That’s why many witnesses in death row cases have proven to be inaccurate, when their ID is tested by DNA methods.

If you want to prove this statement about eyewitness identification, just watch the Food Channel and two of their younger chefs, Bobby Flay and Tyler Florence. Both are white men in their early to mid 30s, apparetly with no genetic relationship. However, they look sufficiently similar that they could play fraternal twins and nobody would doubt that they were.

52 posted on 07/12/2009 1:52:08 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Vaquero
You are so blinded with love for your hero, Michael, the King Of Pop

Hardly.

53 posted on 07/12/2009 3:08:25 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
The kids committed an offense that nearly warrants the death penalty.

you would execute 9 year old children? Allah be praised!

54 posted on 07/12/2009 3:15:14 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Barack Obama to divorce Michelle and marry a woman he met in class.)
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To: libstripper
Indeed, lack of any such corroborating evidence is strong evidence that the alleged abuse did not occur.

Wrong! Lack of evidence "proves" nothing. This logical error is becoming more and more common these days but it is still a fallacy. In formal logic it is called the "fallacy of the negative premise".

In the syllogism above the lack of evidence may just as well be due to care taken by the accused to eliminate such evidence. You can argue till you're blue in the face but you cannot make a solid case either way.

Putting it another way is that "lack of evidence" is just that, a lack of evidence, which proves nothing at all, inferring anything else from that is a jump from solid ground into the darkness. Conclusions drawn with the aid of logic are built up piece by piece of demonstrable evidence and held in place by rigid rules making the conclusions drawn irrefutably correct. There is no place for intuition, common sense, or unsupported assertion.

Regards,
GtG

55 posted on 07/12/2009 3:22:04 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

They are no longer nine. Please re-read the article. They are in their twenties.


56 posted on 07/12/2009 4:30:34 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

So because they were brainwashed and programmed when they were 6 and 9: off with their heads!


57 posted on 07/12/2009 4:50:42 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Barack Obama to divorce Michelle and marry a woman he met in class.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

By the way I did not advocate the death penalty. A good whipping with a cat-o-nine tails followed by twenty years would be sufficient


58 posted on 07/12/2009 5:08:40 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: libstripper

Puts one in mind of Grant Snowden, a decorated policeman whom Janet Reno railroaded into prison on false charges.


59 posted on 07/12/2009 5:20:39 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: libstripper

I’d almost expect that the next time we hear of him it will as a defendent in a murder trial.


60 posted on 07/12/2009 6:36:52 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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