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Kids Recant Abuse After Dad Serves Time
Associated Press ^
| July 12, 2009
| Associated Press
Posted on 07/12/2009 9:02:50 AM PDT by libstripper
VANCOUVER, Wash. (July 12) - Former Vancouver police officer Clyde Ray Spencer spent nearly 20 years in prison after he was convicted of sexually molesting his son and daughter. Now, the children say it never happened.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: childabuse; justice
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To: libstripper
And that is the real tragedy. There are real cases of abuse out there —— horriffic, damaging,life changing, and too often missed until the child dies. To paint ALL cases with such a broad brush indicates a shallowness of logic.
Be ab;e to sort the wheat from the chaff
To: beachandmountains
Well, first they have only been adults half of that time and you have zero idea how they may have worked to try and resolve this.
Second, if the father can hug them and forgive them who are you to be so angry?
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posted on
07/12/2009 9:35:34 AM PDT
by
svcw
(Barry: mentally deficient & narcissistic misogynist megalomaniac psychopath w/ paranoid delusions)
To: libstripper
Blood-curdling. One friend’s stepdaughter threatened to charge him with rape if he didn’t pay for her apartment.
To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
The kids were victims too. Now, the ex-wife and the sheriff’s investigator are another story.
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posted on
07/12/2009 9:47:56 AM PDT
by
stop_fascism
(Georgism is Capitalism's best, last hope)
To: libstripper
Oh Lord. That poor guy. The kids committed an offense that nearly warrants the death penalty. To ruin a man’s life!
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posted on
07/12/2009 9:50:07 AM PDT
by
AEMILIUS PAULUS
(It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
To: libstripper
“I, and many other Freepers, would not have voted to convict Micahel Jackson in his most recent molestation case.”
Don’t you think, as a juror, you should here the evidence first? It might also be hard to get a conviction when MJ paid off the witnesses to shut up.
That said, I agree with the person that said these offspring should spend 20 years in prison. How evil. Can you imagine what this guy has suffered as a child molester in prison.
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posted on
07/12/2009 9:51:30 AM PDT
by
MPJackal
("From my cold dead hands.")
To: libstripper
Prosecutors aren't yet conceding that Spencer was wrongly convicted. Senior deputy prosecutor Kim Farr grilled the children about why they are so certain they weren't abused, and chief criminal deputy prosecutor Dennis Hunter said that if the convictions are tossed, his office might appeal to the state Supreme Court.The vast majority of prosecutors are the scum of the earth.
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posted on
07/12/2009 9:53:25 AM PDT
by
buccaneer81
(Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
To: libstripper
I am a supporter of the Innocence Project. There are many men are behind bars for such crimes as rape, where DNA testing (when finally done) proves that they were not the perpetrators.
For example, DNA testing results (intentionally withheld by a crooked democrat party Prosecutor Nifong) proved that the innocent three Duke Lacrosse players were probably the only men in North Carolina NOT to have had sex with the sociopathic Crystal Magnum (who was never prosecuted for perjury).
To: MPJackal
“Can you imagine what this guy has suffered as a child molester in prison.”
A child molesting cop.
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:08:49 AM PDT
by
mowowie
To: libstripper
ok...i like you but by your logic since a poor fellow in BC was railroaded by his screwed up kids and the law then by default Michael Jackson who admitted to sleeping with little boys not his own when he was in his 30s and 40s in his little hideaway room where the cops found reams of incriminating porno and then paying some of the parents of these kids millions in hush money is therefore innocent too.
Jackson through great lawyering and faulty witnesses got lucky as not guilty but he ain't innocent.... you've got to be kidding me..
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:11:10 AM PDT
by
wardaddy
(Proudly Anti-Abortion, not and will never be Pro-Life...........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
To: Wontsubmit
That was during the psychologists driven forgotten memories craze of the 1980s... Forgotten memories are real. I have a lot forgotten memories, I think.
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:12:28 AM PDT
by
Islander7
(If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
To: libstripper
“This is why even Michael Jackson, pervert and pedophile that he was, deserved a fair trial.”
He had one. And as I recall, there was corroborating evidence.
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:12:31 AM PDT
by
swmobuffalo
("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and MoveOn.org before deciding what to do")
To: wardaddy
The problem with Jackson's second case is the prosecution just did not present the necesssry corroborating evidence to raise it beyond a "he said, he said" case. OTOH, the one that resulted in the about $20,000,000 settlement had such evidence in the form of the complaining witness accurately describing unique characteristice of Jackson's gentitals and Jackson's bedroom alarm system that prevented people from stumbling in on Jackson while he was buggering kids. Legal fairness to everyone, like the man who was framed in the article, necessarily means applying basic due process rules to a vile slug like Jackson, and letting such an individual walk when there isn't adequate evidence in the specific case to convict him.
To: Balding_Eagle
as per # 17
Odly enough, the Daily Kos has one of the best accounts of the $20,000,000 settlement case, one that includes excerpts from the transcript snd serious corroborating evidence, including the complaininng witness accurately describing Jackson's rather uniquely marked genitals, a description somewhat like Paula Jones' description of Clinton's. That's the kind of case where I'd be happy to vote guilty, if I were on the jury
the man was a digusting no talent pervert....
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:20:57 AM PDT
by
Vaquero
("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
To: libstripper
Reading a corroborating article without a link is like taking a shower while wearing a raincoat.
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:21:06 AM PDT
by
Albion Wilde
(If ten percent is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be good enough for Uncle Sam. --Ray Stevens)
To: buccaneer81
The vast majority of prosecutors are the scum of the earth. Most of today's politicians of both parties are scum -- the muckraking of the media have insured that few but dirty-handed sharks with rackets backing them up can survive.
Our freedoms have been corrupted by the huge distances people can now travel, both by care and plane, and also due to television and cyberspace. Nobody really knows anybody anymore, and hence accountability is way down -- it's all spin. But today's solutions (computerized methods of tracking people) truly are tyrannical, because they have no forgiveness and can't make the judgment calls that the local cops used to make with individuals.
And it will only get worse, people.
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:30:54 AM PDT
by
Albion Wilde
(If ten percent is good enough for Jesus, it ought to be good enough for Uncle Sam. --Ray Stevens)
To: the long march
The thing about many sex cases is that, in the truly solid ones, a careful prosecutor can develop strong corroborating evidence with a little effort. For example, in this case medical evidence of genital injuries to the children or other evidence consistent with their stories would have been sufficient to corroborate their stories, while th lack of it was sufficient to refute those stories. In others, like the Paula Jones and first Michael Jackson cases, the complaining witnesses’ accurate descriptions of the defendants’ privates could easily be sufficient evidence. Indeed, lack of any such corroborating evidence is strong evidence that the alleged abuse did not occur.
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To: libstripper
I agree the second case seem flawed and the witness and family were not terribly sympathetic
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:53:45 AM PDT
by
wardaddy
(Proudly Anti-Abortion, not and will never be Pro-Life...........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
To: beachandmountains
Well, show me were they have not been working on this issue for a long time.
Your assumption is that last week they woke up and decided to do something.
I said angry because for some reason you are unable to accept that the father has forgiven them.
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posted on
07/12/2009 10:56:49 AM PDT
by
svcw
(Barry: mentally deficient & narcissistic misogynist megalomaniac psychopath w/ paranoid delusions)
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