[truthguy]

Ever been to China...?"

No, but if we continue the current transformation into the United State of Tyranny, then I might consider moving there for the relative political freedom.

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It's interesting that you talk about Tyranny because population density and tyranny are interrelated. When you have large and dense populations, you need to start making lots of laws, rules and regulations regarding people's behavior. If there's a lot of elbow room it isn't as necessary to make as many rules because people will not tend to get on each others nerves as much.

Think about all the parts of the US where there are so many regulations regarding behavior. In New York there are an infinity of things you cannot do that you could do in say Caspar Wyoming. Think about the gun laws. The most tyrannical come from New York, Chicago, Boston, etc., all cities with high population density.

California is getting to be just about the most repressive state in the Union- and where is it all coming from. Let me tell you it's the high population areas of LA and SF Bay Area. It isn't coming from Eureka.

The states with the most personal freedom are the low population and low population density states. Have fun in China if you decide to move there. I hated the few weeks I spent there. Too many people and not enough freedom.

And some final thoughts. Japan and China are homogeneous populations. Japan in particular is very homogeneous. They can take greater population density. When we get to the density they have in Japan, the US will look like Beirut in the middle of their Civil War. Detroit already looks like that and parts of New York look like that.

Think about that.

[BuddhaBrown]

"Detroit already looks like that..."

I know. My brother lives there. By the way, their population is shrinking.

I don't blame you for appreciating space and freedom. Hell, I live here in God's country (rural WI) on 100 acres. I've worked hard to get here and I love it.

However, WI, MN and the midwest in general are very tyrannical (liberal) in comparison to Florida, for example. That despite our relatively wide open spaces and general lack of major cities.

Your earlier post seemed a bit too sympathetic with the goals of the evil authors' desires. I'll assume, though, that you merely pine for freedom and do reject the remedies discussed by the tyrants in question.

[boxlunch]

Population levels have nothing to do with liberty and freedom. I don’t think Soviet Siberia was exactly a haven for liberty and peace, although relatively unpopulated. Western Europe and the east and west coasts of the US are much more densely populated, yet have much more freedom than Soviet Union did (even though yes, they have more controls than previously, see below). Tyranny can come about in low population areas (parts of Africa) or high density areas (Viet Cong). I doubt if North Korea has an overpopulation problem.

Tyranny comes not because of population levels, but because people lose the inner self discipline and motivation to control themselves, and then tyrants use the resulting crime, deceit, corruption, etc. and take advantage of that for their own evil purposes. Usually the loss of self discipline and ability for self government comes as a result of losing their inner moral compass brought about by beginning to worship self rather than God. When people don’t voluntarily govern themselves, more and more laws and regulations are made to control them externally, and tyrants use that as an excuse to put into place the regulations they desire for their own benefit, and the benefit of their cronies. Then they start taxing some and giving the benefits to other groups, and so it all keeps expanding.

I would say California and New York have lost their freedoms precisely becuase they have lost their moral compass, not because of population density.