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The Real Sarah Palin (Record in office has not been as conservative as she is personally)
Powerline ^ | 7/9/2009 | John Hindraker

Posted on 07/09/2009 8:13:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's usually the liberals that deal in wild, unsubstantiated, uncorroborated, conspiracy theories. Such a shame that should be found here as well. To each his own.
101 posted on 07/09/2009 10:34:28 PM PDT by Reno232
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To: Reno232

I was a Senator Fred Thompson supporter in 2008 and bundled many thousands of dollars for him. I witnessed Romney operatives trying to sabotage his campaign, as well as Governor Huckabee’s, but you go ahead and call that a “conspiracy theory” if you like. Many here also saw what happened.


102 posted on 07/09/2009 10:41:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage. ~H.L. Mencken)
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To: Plutarch
...apparently incorrectly.

Apparently according to who? So you have a citation for it from someone else? You may want to forward it to brainyquote.com. They've sure got it attributed to Plato.

103 posted on 07/09/2009 10:42:59 PM PDT by Al B. (Dennis Miller on why he loves Sarah Palin: "She bugs all the right people")
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To: Plutarch

Lots of people attribute this quote to Plato

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/879.Plato

Who do you think said it?


104 posted on 07/09/2009 11:24:18 PM PDT by Aria ( "The US republic will endure until Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the people's $.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Norman, you realize Hindraker contradicts himself with that, right?

Allow me to add that these people have been contradicting themselves all over the place. On one hand they say "she did it to run for President", but in the next breath say "this is political suicide if she wants to run for President". If it's so "obvious" that this would kill anyone's chance to run for President, then why would she do it to run for President?
105 posted on 07/09/2009 11:43:12 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: libh8er
One thing that makes me a little uncomfortable hearing Palin say is "we want govt to be on the side of the people". A true conservative knows this is ridiculous. Govt by definition is only on the side of itself. The interests of the govt and those of the people are always at odds. Think of govt as cancer, and people, as host tissue. The only useful thing a govt can do is disappear from peoples lives, or at least shrink to the point where it's not relevant other than for maintaining law and order and protecting people's rights. Govt can never be on the "side of the people".

Did it make you as uncomfortable when Lincoln said the government is "of the people, for the people, and by the people"?
106 posted on 07/09/2009 11:46:05 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: GregH
Forty percent (40%) of Republican voters nationwide say Sarah Palin’s decision to resign as governor of Alaska hurts her chances of winning the party’s presidential nomination in 2012.

That is a big part of the base to upset so early in a Presidential campaign, Sarah has done that.


Apples and oranges. Just because someone says they think it hurt her chances doesn't mean they are "upset" with her. Are you "upset" with her?
107 posted on 07/09/2009 11:54:05 PM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: OldDeckHand
So how long are they allowed to sell the same old $500,000 debt? The webathon raised at least $130,000, say another $100,000 from her close personal state employee friends, that's almost half the debt already and she continues to quote that number. Is her legal defense fund saying anything at all about income and debt already retired?
108 posted on 07/09/2009 11:56:54 PM PDT by Swampmarine
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To: Aria
Who do you think said it?

Biden, though perhaps he wasn't the first. ;-D

109 posted on 07/09/2009 11:59:24 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: yongin
I don’t think Palin is running for 2012. She won’t get past the primary. Romney could say he finished his one term. Huckabee, Barbour, and Pawlenty could say they served at least two full terms.

ROFL. Then she will simply say "that's nice gentlemen, but I did more for my state in those 2.5 years than all of you and your multiple terms put together. It's not how long you eat at the public trough, it's what you get done for the public while you're there".
110 posted on 07/10/2009 12:01:52 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: Swampmarine
"Is her legal defense fund saying anything at all about income and debt already retired?"

To be honest, I really haven't looked at it closely enough to know. But, when she initially quit and that $500K number was bandied about, I looked into it superficially. That's when I realized that Legal Defense Funds in AK are just about the same as anywhere else, and in some instances less regulated than other states.

Simply put, the individual funds aren't required to report fund inflow totals nor outflows of any kind. I get the feeling from your question that you're leaning towards believing that the $500K is somewhat of a red herring. It's the direction I'm leaning as well, but I haven't made up my mind, yet.

111 posted on 07/10/2009 12:04:39 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: GLDNGUN
"Allow me to add that these people have been contradicting themselves all over the place. On one hand they say "she did it to run for President", but in the next breath say "this is political suicide if she wants to run for President". If it's so "obvious" that this would kill anyone's chance to run for President, then why would she do it to run for President? "

I don't see any contradiction in Hindraker's thesis, at all. He saying that she's mounting a campaign for president, and at the same time she has created a flawed foundation from which to launch that campaign. At least, that's his premise or theme of his piece.

You're last question "then why would she do it to run for president?", is intimated in Hindraker's thesis. That's the question he's asking, "Why would a person with presidential aspirations quit the only job that, if successfully completed would lend them credibility upon which to launch their campaign?" It's a good question.

112 posted on 07/10/2009 12:19:37 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: OldDeckHand

I’m not sure red herring is the right word because I do believe she’s being billed that much, mostly for campaign and Troopergate rather than the less intense ethics stuff. What concerns me is the total lack of information about what’s been raised and spent to date. The fund committed, under their disclosure provisions when set up in April, that they would release to the public a full accounting of contributions every 30 days. Clearly they haven’t done that and it raises red flags. How long can her fund pitch for a debt that’s already been paid off?


113 posted on 07/10/2009 12:23:18 AM PDT by Swampmarine
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To: OldDeckHand

The “faulty foundation” is that of those who say Palin resigned to run for President and say “what a stupid move for anyone wanting to run for President!” What has she said or done to indicate that she resigned to run for President? NOTHING. They are throwing darts in the dark and claiming to have hit the bullseye. In reality, they don’t have a friggin’ clue.


114 posted on 07/10/2009 12:27:07 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: Swampmarine
"I’m not sure red herring is the right word because I do believe she’s being billed that much, mostly for campaign and Troopergate rather than the less intense ethics stuff."

To your last question, I don't know. As for the "red herring" comment, I didn't mean to imply that the expenses weren't legitimate, or even mounting for that matter. But, I'm not sure, and I don't know if anyone else is either, that the expenses are "bankrupting" her. It seems that there are adequate funds on hand to cover their legal expenses, or at least will be in the foreseeable future.

115 posted on 07/10/2009 12:28:42 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: GLDNGUN
"The “faulty foundation” is that of those who say Palin resigned to run for President and say “what a stupid move for anyone wanting to run for President!"

They're speculating that Palin is indeed running, precisely because she didn't foreclose that possibility in her press conference, or in any subsequent statement. In fact, when things are said along the lines of "higher calling", fighting for America in a different way and the like, it's fuels the speculation. And Palin knows it.

She could have easily addressed this, as Hindraker points out. But she elected not to. My common sense tells me that wasn't by accident. Others seem to agree.

116 posted on 07/10/2009 12:33:40 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: OldDeckHand
She could have easily addressed this, as Hindraker points out. But she elected not to. My common sense tells me that wasn't by accident. Others seem to agree.

But she has addressed this. When asked if she is running in 2012, she has repeatedly said she doesn't know what the future holds. If that's the truth, what else is she supposed to say? Once again, it's quite contradictory to say "well, she quit because she's obviously gearing up to run for President", then shortly thereafter to ask "how could anyone who wants to run for President quit?".

Here's a novel idea - take her word for it when she says she resigned for the good of Alaska and had nothing to do with a race in 2012. Her explanation makes a whole lot more sense than those of "experts" like these.
117 posted on 07/10/2009 12:53:53 AM PDT by GLDNGUN
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess we’ll find out her motives in less than a year. Either she runs for senate, or she is considering a run for the presidency. If she had no importance nationally in the Republican Party in regards to presidential aspirations, then I would call her a quitter. But it does look like she’s positioning herself for a major run at national offfice. I always thought being in Alaska put her too far away from events. We shall see.


118 posted on 07/10/2009 2:01:35 AM PDT by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Here’s the story: (Make of it what you will.)

In the wake of Governor Palin stepping down from her job, new allegations have surfaced today in Alaska charging Palin with additional violations of the Alaska Executive Ethics Act.

Zane Henning — a conservative government watchdog from the governor’s hometown of Wasilla and an oilfield worker on Alaska’s North Slope — asserts in a letter to Alaska Attorney General Daniel S. Sullivan that Palin has “been charging and pocketing per diem to live in her home and has used the process for a personal gain since being elected.”

The Washington Post first broke this story last September during the 2008 presidential race, but until now, no formal ethics charges have been brought on the matter in Alaska.

In a detailed press release accompanying his complaint, Henning declared that:

Palin’s use of the per diem is in direct conflict with Section 39.52.120. (a) of the Alaska Executive Ethics Act....More than a thousand state employees commute from the Mat-Su Valley daily and none of them get to pocket free money.
Henning noted that “the State of Alaska provides housing in Juneau for the Governor.”

If she chooses not to live there, Alaskans should not have to pay for it. I am requesting that you and the Personnel Board direct Governor Sarah Palin to reimburse the State of Alaska all per diem funds, plus interest, and a fine that are related to charges while staying in her Wasilla residence.
Henning further argued that Alaska Statute 39.20.010 sets an “annual salary for the governor of $125,000.”

Sarah Palin has collected more than the amount established by law by cashing in her per diem checks. Alaska Statute 39.20.050 (Exclusive Compensation) states that the compensation fixed by law for the governor and lieutenant governor is in full for all services rendered by each of them in any official capacity or employment whatsoever during their respective terms of office. Per diem is therefore any added expenses incurred while in travel status, not when living in your own home.
According to Henning:

State travel regulations say that per diem can’t be claimed when travel is less than 50 miles from a state employee’s workplace. The IRS and state finance officer have already determined that the per diem is considered income. The governor’s workplace in Anchorage is only a 45-mile commute from her Wasilla home.
In February, Palin was required to pay back income taxes on thousands of dollars in expense money she received while living at her home overlooking Lake Lucille in Wasilla. Little more than two weeks ago she was forced to pay back the State of Alaska more than $8,100.00 for nine trips taken by her children that she had improperly charged as being part of official state business.

Henning contends the per diem is another way for the Alaska governor to line her pockets at the state’s expense:

As a Wasilla resident I know that thousands of valley residents commute into Anchorage for work every day. They don’t receive checks from their employers for sleeping at home. Governor Palin does. And it’s wrong, not to mention unethical, for her to even submit these per diem claims. To me, this is a roundabout way for Palin to give herself a raise.
“The Governor is quitting her job,” said Henning, “and now more than ever the State of Alaska, along with its residents, need to be reimbursed for the per diem charges, including interest and a fine...[I]t is up to private citizens, like myself, to hold our Governor accountable.”


119 posted on 07/10/2009 4:40:17 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: GLDNGUN
Did it bother you when Lincoln said the government is ".. for the people.."

A govt 'for the people' today has an entirely different meaning than it did in Lincoln's day.

120 posted on 07/10/2009 6:03:49 AM PDT by libh8er
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