Posted on 07/09/2009 2:44:17 PM PDT by TaraP
A 350ft crop circle of an ancient Mayan symbol, said to be a sign of an impending apocalypse, has appeared next to Silbury Hill in Wiltshire. The giant pattern - thought to represent a traditional Mayan head-dress - appeared next to the tallest prehistoric man-made mound in Europe last week. Members of the crop circle community believe the mystic symbol is a signal of the end of the 5,126-year Mayan 'Long Count' calendar on December 21, 2012 Karen Alexander, a crop circle enthusiast, said: "This is one of the most interesting crop circles I have ever seen. It is definitely a Mayan symbol and we are sure it is linked to the Mayan calendar, which ends in 2012. "It appears to be a warning about the world coming to an end when the calendar does. For the ancient Maya, reaching the end of a cycle was a momentous event, so we are taking this crop circle very seriously as an indicator of a possibly huge event in 2012." Last month a 400-foot crop circle depicting a phoenix rising from the flames appeared in a barley field in Yatesbury near Devizes, Wiltshire. Crop circle theorists believe the patterns are created by UFOs during nocturnal visits, or caused by natural phenomena such as unusual forms of lightning striking the earth.
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It’s what I derive from the fact that God made everything and He describes it to us in Genesis. Mankind is the only being that is described in the Bible as having salvation. The other beings do not have salvation. If another civilization exists, God would have had to create those other beings, and they do not have any provision for salvation, just like the angels have no provision for salvation.
When the angels sin, *that’s it* — they’re condemned and there is no way out for them. It’s the “end of the line” — with *no salvation*.
And for any other beings, since they have *no savior* (as only God can “save” and not any other created being, and there is only the Triune Godhead, of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit — hence no other ability for another “savior” to exist in the form of that other type of being in order to “save them” from their sin). When that other civilization sins — it’s *done for* with no salvation provided for them, just as when the angels sin, they’re *done for*, too.
In addition, if there are other beings who have been reproducing and growing into an advanced civilization, and finally traveling to see us here, I would imagine that they are going to feel very left out in that they will not exist with God and mankind, together, as it is described by God to us, and that they have no salvation (i.e., no provision for salvation as Jesus, the Son of God only died for mankind and not any other creation, which was why Jesus, the Son of God, became a “man” in order to provide for that kind of specific salvation).
God tell us about His messengers who carry out His will (the angels, along with the fallen ones) and they are there, along with mankind, but no one else is described as being there, after all is made new, at the end of Revelation (and also no one else is described as being there, when all things were perfect in the beginning (at the end of Day 6).
I can see the angels being required to be perfect, or just one sin and they are *never redeemed* and condemned to eternity separated from God in the lake of fire, to be tormented forever and ever. But, for an entire other civilization to exist without salvation and to “burn forevermore” in the lake of fire, for their sin — I just don’t think so...
Well, thanks for the lengthy analysis, but the fact remains that the corn mazes, some of which are pictorial with near photographic detail and extremely elaborate, are laid out via GPS. So, these errors that you cite must be consistent enough to allow the mapping out and construction of such things, otherwise they wouldn’t be being made, now would they?
Remember, I’m talking about the ever-popular “Maize Maze” that children love so, not the magical mystery crop circles, not that the one can’t describe the other.
Well, the problem there is that we know that not *all intelligence* that exists is human. We’ve already got that stated by the Bible.
So, there is other intelligence out there. And furthermore, not all things that have happened on earth, has been *only* from human causes or natural causes (of the physical processes of nature).
We’ve already been told that many things have happened and things have been seen and/or changed, on earth from things *other than* (1) humans and (2) nature and it’s natural physical processes.
We already know from what the Bible says that other things happen on earth that are outside of human and physical, natural causes.
The Bible has already added another element of “intelligence” to the equation, that is not human...
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Let me give you an example... just one..
The “intelligence” that was exhibited on the wall of the hall where Daniel was called in to read and translate what was written on that wall — was not human.
Now, using your logic, we would have to conclude that this happened by some human intervention (probably some “secret society” of humans... doncha know... LOL...).
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Oh..., another example of something other than “human” intelligence...
When Lot was dragged out of the city about to be destroyed, that was done by something else other than human intelligence. It was intelligence of a different *non-human* kind. If we were to use your reasoning, we would have to conclude, if intelligence was exhibited by something that happened, it had to be human, and therefore Lot was taken out of the city by another human.
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Okay, one more example of “intelligence” that was not human. When Moses brought down the tablets of stone from the mountain after leaving Egypt with Israel, there was “intelligence exhibited” by the writing on that stone. To use your reasoning, we would have to conclude that the intelligence that was exhibited there was some human (that did it). Therefore the question is raised, what human made those tablets of stone that Moses took down from the mountain?
We could go on and on with these “intelligence” examples...
I can’t speak to the *techniques* that those creators of those humanly-made designs used, along with their GPS devices (I would think of line-of-sight, physical distance measurements and compass points to supplement and make more accurate).
However, the big problem would be to make it precise, and also to do so in a minimal amount of time. I can get GPS to be very precise, just by itself, but it takes money, specialized and expensive equipment and a lot of time. For all I know, they did so over days and days, and took their time to get it all right, which would be something (with that sort of methodology) which could be done. And if I were to do that and do it right and very precise, I would use every technique I could come up with and take plenty of time and *get it right*. And with that, I could probably make an exquisite crop circle.
But, to really speak to it, I would have to see what their technique was. That would be a key and critical thing to evaluate. I can only guess about it as we speak, right now.
However, the one thing that I don’t have to guess about, since it’s *so well documented* is the error that is inherent in GPS devices. There’s no question about that.
And furthermore, when talking about crop circles (even with one removing the time constraint issue), one still has to deal with the other measurable parameters that have not been demonstrated by those other humanly-made designs. No one has been able to reproduce those. So, I haven’t see any way for that to be done.
I just gave you two things that were created by another intelligence, on this earth, other than man. I gave you the writing on the wall and the stone tablets...
:-)
You were saying — What if Obama and a true ET had a news conference in the Rose Garden and said our Lord Jesus Christ was just another alien. Could Satan pull that one off? Would most people believe it?
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Of course, that’s a long-standing claim already, by some in that camp (i.e., aliens from advanced civilizations in far-away galaxies coming here on space ships to visit earth).
The answer is that people are already believing it now. What percentage, I don’t know, but it’s been a theory and also believed for quite a few decades, thus far.
The first I was familiar with it was Chariot of the Gods, by Erich von Daniken, published in 1968.
Chariots of the Gods?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0425166805
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Explanations for the origins of religions as reactions to contact with an alien race. According to Daniken, humans considered the technology of the aliens to be supernatural and the aliens themselves to be gods. Daniken asks if the oral and literal traditions of most religions contain references to visitors from stars and vehicles traveling through air and space. These, he says, should be interpreted as literal descriptions which have changed during the passage of time and become more obscure. An example is Ezekiel’s revelation in Old Testament, which he interprets as a detailed description of a landing spacecraft. Däniken attempts to draw an analogy with the “cargo cults” that formed during and after World War II, when once-isolated tribes in the South Pacific mistook the advanced American and Japanese soldiers for gods.
The two most controversial proposals were that Biblical characters were inspired by the extraterrestrials, and humans acquired their superior intelligence by mating with aliens.
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And, with a great portion of our world’s population already convinced, without any evidence or proof that aliens from advanced civilizations and far-away galaxies are coming here in their space ships and visiting earth — it’s not a surprise that people are thinking that.
I sort of think that such a false claim will be made (officially) at some point in the near future. It’s all part of the coming and great deception that goes on prior to the coming of Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, to set up His worldwide Kingdom on earth.
Parsy, they are here, and all in jurisprudence...
I agree, anything is possible. Our preconceived notions and common sense may become a problem. In fact, isn’t faith the opposite of common sense?
LOL.
Folks finding such things in crop formations is recent.
I have no further knowledge about it to any significant detail, than that.
I don’t recall anything about the examminations and testing of such found objects.
There are, no doubt, a list of possibilities.
Great post.
Thx.
Thx.
Excellent points.
who created heaven, and the things that therein are
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Great post.
Thanks.
Interesting phrase above with lots of inherent possibilities.
Interesting, indeed.
Thx.
You are welcome. I’m glad you liked it.
Some farmers . . . particularly initially . . . were quite upset and demanded compensation from any source they thought they might be able to get it from.
However, after a while, they did a couple of things.
They implemented no trespassing policies
&/or
started charging for folks viewing the formations.
I gather the latter could be several hundred folks within a few days.
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