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Is the state guilty of child kidnap?
The Telegraph ^ | 04 Jul 2009 | Christopher Booker

Posted on 07/09/2009 11:32:27 AM PDT by Eurotwit

The result of this was that, on May 18, when Mr and Mr Jones, accompanied by their younger son, arrived at school to pick up their daughter, they were met by a group of strangers, one as it turned out a female social worker. She asked, without explaining why or who she was, whether he was Mr Jones. When she three times refused to show him any ID, he was seized from behind by two policemen, handcuffed and put under arrest.

He was driven by a policeman to a nearby mental hospital where he was told that, because of "a number of concerns", he was being detained under Section 136 of the Mental Health Act and "sectioned" under S.2 as of "unsound mind". His wife, it turned out, had been similarly arrested, for loudly protesting at the handcuffing of her husband and the forcible seizing from her arms of her young son. The three children had been taken into care by social services.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: nannystate; uk
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One of the most scary articles out of the UK lately, and that is saying something...

At least in "The Process" by Kafka they didn't steal Joseph K's children.

1 posted on 07/09/2009 11:32:27 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

The Soviets used to throw dissidents into mental asylums too


2 posted on 07/09/2009 11:35:27 AM PDT by GeronL ( Patriotic Insurrectionist is no longer a contradiction in terms!)
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To: GeronL

Those where the thoughts that struck me.... Stalinist Russia, or a wretched version of Kafka novel.

Left a sickening feeling in the gut.


3 posted on 07/09/2009 11:36:52 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Nanny state run amok. Then again, the Brits aren’t armed, so they have to feat the State instead of the way it’s supposed to be.


4 posted on 07/09/2009 11:38:57 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: tgusa

“feat” = “fear”


5 posted on 07/09/2009 11:39:37 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: Eurotwit
The whole thing because Mr. Jones is “delusional”. So if an atheist thinks a person who believes in a god is delusional? What if the NEA believes people who homeschool are delusional? Perhaps people who believe in property rights are also delusional?
6 posted on 07/09/2009 11:42:36 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: Eurotwit

It happens all the time in the US too. The power of the State just keeps increasing.


7 posted on 07/09/2009 11:44:51 AM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: FourPeas

The implications are scary for home schoolers, conservative Christians, basically anyone who disagree with the current liberal dogma.

That said, as this article seems to indicate, pretty much darned anyone can be at risk for wanton abuse by an out of control government.

I mean they are flying planes with heat cameras over houses to inspect your energy use, installing chips in your trash can. All this.

And, yet illegal immigration seems to be to much of an ask to control.

What is happening in the UK seems mindboggling to me.


8 posted on 07/09/2009 11:48:10 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Welcome to the Post-Christian West.


9 posted on 07/09/2009 11:50:15 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: LeGrande

That concept of liberty. It was a nice thought wasn’t it.

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated,but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his Ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty
was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton,Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters.

He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. Some of us take
these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn’t.

So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free!

Just got this in an email the other day.


10 posted on 07/09/2009 11:52:43 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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I’ve enjoyed reading Kafka over the years.
Scary as hell. but so is Poe.


11 posted on 07/09/2009 11:55:12 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Patrick)
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To: FourPeas

Obama supporters are delusional. Can we round them up and put them in asylums during elections ? The U.S. would certainly be better-off for it.


12 posted on 07/09/2009 11:56:21 AM PDT by Mark319 ("Whenever a president is gonna get us into serious trouble they always use Lincoln" From film "2010")
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To: Eurotwit
Not to take away a thing from what you have posted but only in the interest of accuracy, Nelson directed the gunners to use the top of his house as a reference point to aim their cannons and it was hit but it still stands there in Yorktown.

Μολὼν λάβε


13 posted on 07/09/2009 12:09:14 PM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" and the Scout Motto)
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To: Eurotwit

We give the agencies this power and bitch when they usw it?


14 posted on 07/09/2009 12:13:39 PM PDT by OldEagle
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"Scary" is hardly the word.

Here the parents could sue the pants off those perps, er, I mean, "public servants." I doubt that option is available in the UK, though.

15 posted on 07/09/2009 12:14:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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I doubt that option is available in the UK, though

It is, and has been pursued successfully (but at what cost?) in a number of high-profile cases. The civil courts, fortunately, still have a pretty good record when it comes to protecting the individual against the state.

16 posted on 07/09/2009 12:25:09 PM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Eurotwit

Can anyone imagine an equivalent number of today’s Washington politicians making the same pledge and undergoing the same hardships for liberty??!! A real laugher, huh? But tragically, not funny.


17 posted on 07/09/2009 12:26:01 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Eurotwit

Truly, they’ve made Kafka seem civil. Not easy to do. I echo the sentiments of one of the commenters on the article - it’s one of the more horrifying articles of recent. And what recourse to the parents have, now found ‘not guilty’ or safe or whatever, to have their children returned to them?


18 posted on 07/09/2009 12:29:48 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: Eurotwit

Happens in the US all the time. CPS thugs are apparently universal.


19 posted on 07/09/2009 12:35:55 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Winniesboy
That's good news. I hope the perps get what they deserve in this case.
20 posted on 07/09/2009 12:38:28 PM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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