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To: rollo tomasi
When westerners got shafted they started revolutions and embraced the freedom that Christ brings.

Christ did not bring the west freedom of legal abortion,pornography,mtv etc.... You're very confused of the true meaning of freedom, my friend

Listen to the words of the late Blessed Bishop Fulton Sheen keeping in mind it was written in 1943 and apply it to how much worse that so-called freedom you think the west embraced today.

Firstly, freedom is denied in education today. This may sound bizarre to some educators who have been shouting catch-words about freedom for decades. But I submit they are talking about license—not freedom. They are concerned with freedom from something; not freedom for something; they are interested only in freedom without law rather than freedom within the law. And the proof? Do not many educators today assume that evil and sin are due to ignorance, and that if we educate, we will remove evil? Do not others assume that evil is due to bad environment, bad teeth, or bad glands, and that an increase of material wealth will obliterate evil? Can they not see that these assumptions destroy freedom; for if evil is the result of ignorance, and not the result of a perverse use of freedom, then Hitler is an ignoramus, but he is not a villian?-Fulton Sheen

52 posted on 07/09/2009 12:09:36 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
Did I say the west was perfect? No, it brought forth the freedom (As tumultuous as it was) which we have taken for granted because the west got "worldly" and perverted the very liberty that was granted to us.

... "abortion,pornography,mtv etc...." are being judged (Look at our debt), don't worry the "bread/soup lines" will be coming soon mainly because the Church/members failed to stand up (Bureaucracy too busy covering for there own transgressions and looking like hypocrites). By the way how did the West become so "fat" in the first place? Hmmmmm.... We lost what gave us so much...

Freedom is there but we refuse to repent because man thinks they can go their own way. I don't want the Pope following down that rabbit hole.
55 posted on 07/09/2009 12:28:08 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: stfassisi
By the way, although the “majority of society” started to openly accept “abortion,pornography,mtv etc” only until recently, do I surmise by your view that Christendom started around the mid-twentieth century AD? That is certainly news to me.

Atrocities were committed throughout western history, but the kicker was that several times, society actually humbled themselves and repented. Apparently enough did to move society forward. Unfortunately only a few now are taking that humility seriously. Maybe it might change, I can only pray that we will.

57 posted on 07/09/2009 12:39:42 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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