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Mass. healthcare system a model for Washington?
Reuters ^ | July 8, 2009 | Ross Kerber

Posted on 07/08/2009 6:38:37 PM PDT by ellery

BOSTON (Reuters) - Within Washington's tangled debate over how to reform healthcare, many are looking to Massachusetts, a state that could offer both a way forward and a warning.

As President Barack Obama and Congress work to revamp a wasteful national system which leaves millions uninsured, attention has turned to Massachusetts' ambitious three-year-old program to cover almost all of its 6.4 million people.

Rick Lord, a member of the Massachusetts system's oversight board, last month met with U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius at Harvard University, and he's also been asked to speak at U.S. Senate hearings.

The program, which is facing a sharp rise in costs as it struggles to provide universal access at a time of economic decline, has a bipartisan heritage.

It was the legacy of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, runner-up for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 and a likely presidential candidate in 2012.

But it was also championed by the liberal Massachusetts Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy, a national leader on health issues, who, with other congressional Democrats, is advocating reform plans inspired by the Massachusetts model.

Several plans for reforming the national system include the requirement, in place in Massachusetts, that individuals buy health insurance, just as they must buy auto insurance.

President Barack Obama opposed the idea during his campaign against Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic presidential nominee last year, but has since signaled he'll sign such a measure if it is passed by Congress.

"If you went back five years, you would never be discussing an individual mandate, but it has become a standard part of the national discussion" because of Massachusetts, said Stuart Altman, a Brandeis University healthcare professor who advised Obama during the campaign.

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"If you went back five years, you would never be discussing an individual mandate, but it has become a standard part of the national discussion" because of Massachusetts, said Stuart Altman, a Brandeis University healthcare professor who advised Obama during the campaign.

Thanks a million for setting the precedent, Romney.

1 posted on 07/08/2009 6:38:37 PM PDT by ellery
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To: bamahead; Gabz

libertarian and nanny-state pings...


2 posted on 07/08/2009 6:39:10 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: ellery

I have heard that there is some real trouble such as rationing.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 6:41:11 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (A leader does not deserve the name unless he is willing occasionally to stand alone-Henry Kissinger)
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To: sonofstrangelove

There’s no way to avoid rationing under such a system, I don’t think. Basic economics.

Of course, the governors and legislators who pass this garbage don’t have to worry about that.


4 posted on 07/08/2009 6:43:25 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: ellery

Refer to it as MengeleCare or AuschwitzCare for they are intended just the same. The government wants to pick who lives and who dies. Yes, that means it could be you!


5 posted on 07/08/2009 6:44:27 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Yikes. Good point.


6 posted on 07/08/2009 6:46:22 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I haven’t heard those complaints yet, but f*c* no, WE DO NOT want this on a national level.


7 posted on 07/08/2009 6:51:55 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You canÂ’t blame Bush anymore...)
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Myth Romney says something like 98% are 'covered'.

Typical.

However, the plan, similar to MassCare in Massachusetts, has its skeptics. Massachusetts State Treasurer Timothy Cahill says the national recession has placed financial stress on MassCare.

“The system was expensive, even in good times,” he said. “In tough times it just doesn’t seem doable. We’re all still waiting for the savings.”

Though 432,000 Bay Staters previously without insurance are now covered, many of the newly insured still can’t access medical care. Sally Pipes, president and CEO of Pacific Research Institute and author of “The Top Ten Myths of American Health Care,” writes in the Washington Examiner that over the last 12 months about 10 percent of state residents failed to fill prescriptions. They also missed payments on medical bills or skipped essential medical care.

Harvard Medical School Professor David Himmelstein believes patients are spending so much money on coverage they can’t afford the most basic medical services. The least expensive policy for a young family in Massachusetts costs $9,500 a year. That family has to pay a $3,500 deductible before many of the benefits kick in. Because of these costs, 23 percent of the patient population still relies on emergency room care for basic medical treatment, a problem MassCare was expected to solve.

http://www.newbritainherald.com/articles/2009/07/08/news/doc4a5403a758dcb450641130.txt

I guess when Mitt says 'covered' he means in a theoretical, bureaucratic, tax/fine/fee way, not a performance/outcome way.

8 posted on 07/08/2009 7:08:22 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: ellery

Tennessee’s TennCare was much ballyhooed when they were trying to pass HillaryCare, but now it’s broke and they don’t talk about it so much anymore.


9 posted on 07/08/2009 7:15:29 PM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: Leisler

That’s very interesting, considering that the biggest argument of the RomneyCare supporters is the decrease in ER expenditures.


10 posted on 07/08/2009 7:15:45 PM PDT by ellery (It's a free country.)
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To: Leisler

Yep. Cahill has been sceptical of this plan all along. I might vote for him.

Romney’s plan sucks, plain and simple.


11 posted on 07/08/2009 7:17:00 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (You canÂ’t blame Bush anymore...)
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To: ellery

It wasn’t as if there were boat loads of doctors hanging around, that were trolling for patients.

I’m reminded of a story from the Soviet Union days where one of the, ahem, ‘leaders’ wanted crop yields up so he ordered the production of fertilizer to be doubled, which ate up fuel, so there even less fuel to deliver the doubled amount of fertilizer which was then just dumped in the river, polluting the river and killing fish which people depended upon to supplement their diet. The crops did not increase, and the rivers got polluted.


12 posted on 07/08/2009 7:43:51 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: GOPsterinMA

It will metastasize into something worse. What, I don’t know. Kind of like cancer cells in your blood stream. No telling what will go south.

My betting hunches. Increased cost, decreased quality, longer delays, political infighting, years of ‘reforms’ of the previous ‘reforms’ which were the reforms of the reforms of the reforms of the first form. Best and brightest flee, unsung cadre of assistants, nurses and other caregivers flee/decline/are imported...


13 posted on 07/08/2009 7:47:45 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: HangThemHigh

You don’t here the lefties talk about ‘Slum Clearance’, ‘Urban Renewal’ or ‘Model Cities’ all union/contractor scams lasting decades and paying out trillions of dollars to the connected.


14 posted on 07/08/2009 7:50:11 PM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: ellery

Look at Canada and Great Britain. There are people in Canada who have cancer getting treatment here because of their are placed on a waiting list


15 posted on 07/08/2009 8:09:12 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (A leader does not deserve the name unless he is willing occasionally to stand alone-Henry Kissinger)
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To: GOPsterinMA

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=149853

Its just a rumour.


16 posted on 07/08/2009 8:14:05 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (A leader does not deserve the name unless he is willing occasionally to stand alone-Henry Kissinger)
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To: ellery; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
It was the legacy of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, runner-up for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 and a likely presidential candidate in 2012.



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17 posted on 07/08/2009 9:18:33 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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bump!


18 posted on 07/08/2009 9:19:09 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ellery
The precedent business is malarky, the Dems have been talking about it for 60 years. The Heritage Foundation was instrumental in designing Massacheusett's plan for Romney, and if you're down to the point where everyone at Heritage is now a 'RINO,' it's probably best to take a deep breath...you're going off the deep end. That said, there's plenty the plan leaves to be desired, and perhaps more to the point, much in the way of unintened consequences. Personally, I don't favor any kind of government backed, sponsored, or God-forbid mandated health care initiative, but I'm all for different states trying out what's best for them.

That's a very funny picture BTW.

19 posted on 07/08/2009 9:31:59 PM PDT by americanophile (Sarcasm: satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language.)
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To: reaganaut; BufordP; ejonesie22; AmericanSphinx71; 383rr; jenk; big'ol_freeper; mountainbunny; ...
It was the legacy of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, runner-up for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 and a likely presidential candidate in 2012.

But it was also championed by the liberal Massachusetts Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy, a national leader on health issues, who, with other congressional Democrats, is advocating reform plans inspired by the Massachusetts model.

20 posted on 07/08/2009 9:50:23 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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