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Who Killed California's Economy? [Joel Kotkin misleads; leave comments at link]
Forbes ^ | 7/7/09 | Joel Kotkin

Posted on 07/07/2009 9:17:06 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

Right now California's economy is moribund, and the prospects for a quick turnaround are not good. Unable to pay its bills, the state is issuing IOUs; its once strong credit rating has collapsed. The state that once boasted the seventh-largest gross domestic product in the world is looking less like a celebrated global innovator and more like a fiscal basket case along the lines of Argentina or Latvia.

It took some amazing incompetence to toss this best-endowed of places down into the dustbin of history. Yet conventional wisdom views the crisis largely as a legacy of Proposition 13, which in effect capped only taxes.

This lets too many malefactors off the hook. I covered the Proposition 13 campaign for the Washington Post and examined its aftermath up close. It passed because California was running huge surpluses at the time, even as soaring property taxes were driving people from their homes.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens
If you want to actually do something effective, simply leaving a comment here isn't going to cut it. You also need to do "outreach" by leaving a comment at the Forbes link pointing out all the ways he's wrong. When Forbes' readers see that they can't trust him, Forbes might realize that printing the truth about these issues is in their best interest.

Here's the comment I left:

This article is beyond dishonest: it completely fails to note the role that massive illegal immigration played in CA's problems. That lead to increased spending and to a large part of the middle class fleeing the state. Not only that, but it built up a power base for the far-left legislators, and they used that to push for more spending.

Without the massive immigration that hacks like Joel Kotkin support, the far-left wouldn't have as much power as they do.

Kotkin misleads about the problem the CA GOP has. It isn't because they're seen as "anti-tax and anti-immigration zealots", but because a) they tend to be socially conservative in a state that generally isn't, and b) they're generally stupid and have a habit of making unforced errors.

Kotkin fails to note that a good portion of the farm-related unemployed are here illegally, and the situation could be lessened if we enforced our laws.

You just can't trust what Joel Kotkin tells you. For a discussion of something else he wrote earlier this year, see this:

http://tinyurl.com/l9mkz7

1 posted on 07/07/2009 9:17:06 AM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

The libs of course. Who else?


2 posted on 07/07/2009 9:19:14 AM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
These people ...


3 posted on 07/07/2009 9:22:53 AM PDT by clamper1797 (FUBO ... the Anti-Reagan)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
we would have the same problems in California even if we didn't have a single illegal immigrant here. And those problems are traceable to the public unions which, with the help of the MSM, run Sacramento and, by extension, the state.

They are just like the unions which used to control Britain until Margaret Thatcher came along. And, like Britain, California won't get better until a California Thatcher gets elected to take the public unions on and break their power.

4 posted on 07/07/2009 9:24:05 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Welcome2thejungle

California Legislature rejects $11 billion of cuts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090624/us_nm/us_economy_california_budget

“Soak the Rich, Lose the Rich”

Did the greater prosperity in low-tax states happen by chance? Is it coincidence that the two highest tax-rate states in the nation, California and New York, have the biggest fiscal holes to repair? No. Dozens of academic studies — old and new — have found clear and irrefutable statistical evidence that high state and local taxes repel jobs and businesses.

Martin Feldstein, Harvard economist and former president of the National Bureau of Economic Research, co-authored a famous study in 1998 called “Can State Taxes Redistribute Income?” This should be required reading for today’s state legislators. It concludes: “Since individuals can avoid unfavorable taxes by migrating to jurisdictions that offer more favorable tax conditions, a relatively unfavorable tax will cause gross wages to adjust. . . . A more progressive tax thus induces firms to hire fewer high skilled employees and to hire more low skilled employees.”

More recently, Barry W. Poulson of the University of Colorado last year examined many factors that explain why some states grew richer than others from 1964 to 2004 and found “a significant negative impact of higher marginal tax rates on state economic growth.” In other words, soaking the rich doesn’t work. To the contrary, middle-class workers end up taking the hit.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124260067214828295.html

silly libtards...


5 posted on 07/07/2009 9:27:46 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
Since a great portion of the union govt workers in CA are directly involved in delivering services to the illegal population the unions will continue to support more illegal immigration. It is their bread and butter. More illegals..more teachers, more teachers aides, more special language ed, more prison guards, more social workers, more counselors, more parole officers etc etc etc. Each contributing their dues to support the union thugs who then control the legislature.
So the issue of illegals is not irrelevant to the financial dilemma. It is one of the biggest causes.
6 posted on 07/07/2009 9:47:17 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

how about kicking out the mexicans and importing chinese ?

it would improve the economy but then, your views are not entirely about the economy is it.

I suspect your answer is no which merely shows hypocrisy on both sides of the debate.


7 posted on 07/07/2009 10:00:22 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
I'm not an Arnold fan but I must say I haven't seen him using the Obama type excuse: I didn't do any of this, I inherited from the previous administration. (Grey Davis)
8 posted on 07/07/2009 10:42:08 AM PDT by fish hawk (Volition is a gift of God to reject Him or find peace in His love.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

It’s always the fault of insufficient tax rates. As if increasing the pile of dough in the democrat piggy bank would have made them more responsible spenders. This is a difficult sell when one considers they’re wildly irresponsible spenders even when the piggy bank isn’t full; just the thought of increasing revenue is enough the make them plow through money like Michelle in Paris with her personal staff of 20 or more.

Most of the homeowners who have benefitted from Prop 13 are approaching elder status. That the democrats see them as likely sheep to be totally shorn is telling about their predatory lack of conscience.


9 posted on 07/07/2009 10:52:16 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
I'm not sure I see the reasons for dumping on Kotkin. He correctly identifies the growth of state government, over- regulation and enviro wackos as the big drivers of the problems of California, as well as the feebleness of the resistence to them by the business comuntity. He exonerates Prop 13 and the failure to raise taxes I see nothing to argue with there.

He doesn't identify immigration as the biggest problem, which is arguable, but that certainly doesn't vitiate the truth of what he does say. I am sure that even the most anti-immigration (illegal) folks here would say that true conservative leadership would have left california in much less of a mess than it is now -- No?

10 posted on 07/07/2009 11:13:51 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
The author did mention the lavish salaries, pensions and benefits given to public employees, but completely missed the 600 pound gorilla in the middle of the room. Illegals. They pay little taxes but get an inordinate amount of benefits from the state in the form of education, medical services, law enforcement, and welfare payments.
11 posted on 07/07/2009 1:39:15 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

How ‘bout “Gee, do you think the problem might be that the PRK’s budget increased at many times the rate of inflation and economic growth, until it completely outran the taxpayer’s willingness and/or ability to pay for it?”


12 posted on 07/07/2009 1:52:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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