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To: BlueNgold

Not applicable here. Only on matters of faith and morals, when delivered “ex cathedra” i.e. with the full force and deliberate intention of acting as the universal pontiff.


68 posted on 07/07/2009 10:35:59 AM PDT by Austin Scott
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To: Austin Scott

I am reading the whole thing. This would supports argument that we are going to get world government anyway, so it should be ‘good’

9. Love in truth — caritas in veritate — is a great challenge for the Church in a world that is becoming progressively and pervasively globalized. The risk for our time is that the de facto interdependence of people and nations is not matched by ethical interaction of consciences and minds that would give rise to truly human development. Only in charity, illumined by the light of reason and faith, is it possible to pursue development goals that possess a more humane and humanizing value. The sharing of goods and resources, from which authentic development proceeds, is not guaranteed by merely technical progress and relationships of utility, but by the potential of love that overcomes evil with good (cf. Rom 12:21), opening up the path towards reciprocity of consciences and liberties.


69 posted on 07/07/2009 10:40:24 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Austin Scott

does that mean that encyclicals are ‘guidelines’ to be ignored...


70 posted on 07/07/2009 10:41:54 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Austin Scott

So the rest of the time he can spout off on things that he has no business talking about and is allowed to be wrong...

If he is discussing matters such as global poverty and allowed an audience because he is in fact the pope - how is that not acting as the pope?

I still don’t get it. He’s a man - he can’t be infallible ‘sometimes’ and other times he’s just a man. Show me where it says THAT in the Bible...

Scratch that - don’t. Don’t try to show me anything - I’m not a Catholic, and don’t intend to convert. I started with a joke and should have let it lie...

My point is that many many many Catholics throughout the world take the pontiff’s word as gospel regardless whether he invokes his papal infallibility or if he is speaking just as a man. And in this case he is dead wrong.


74 posted on 07/07/2009 10:58:28 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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