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Seventh Grader Sues School Over Right to Wear Pro-Life T-Shirt
Fox News ^ | 7-6-09 | By Maxim Lott

Posted on 07/06/2009 2:01:59 PM PDT by rawhide

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To: SamuraiScot
"Graphic"? Isn't that a word you use to describe something violent, immoral, or disgusting? What's a "fetus" supposed to do except grow?
Oh, that's right. Die.

Dingdingding!!! Post of the Day!

21 posted on 07/06/2009 2:19:07 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( Happy birthday Mr. President!)
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To: reaganaut1

Nothing political -— no candidate, no political party, no office holder, either elected or appointed, no political party, and no legislation, current or proposed -— was mentioned on the shirt.

So how does that make her a walking political billboard? Perhaps a walking health sciences billboard, but one would not think health sciences out of place in a school...


22 posted on 07/06/2009 2:20:13 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler."--- Einstein)
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To: icwhatudo
“On another note...why is she eating breakfast at school?”

You don't know California Schools do you? They try to get every one to sign up for free breakfast, regardless of income level. They then tout the statistics of what percent of the school is eligible for the free breakfast as a sign of the poverty level. The more ‘poverty’ they have the more funding they get for other programs.

In the 90’s I was married with 3 kids and making $75,000. We had a hell of time NOT getting the kids signed up for the free breakfast program. Being a fiscal conservative (social also)I felt it was not appropriate for us to avail ourselves to a misguided social experiment.

23 posted on 07/06/2009 2:21:54 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: reaganaut1

“I agree with the school. Children should not be sent to school as walking billboards for any political cause, on the left or right.”

You’re tryin’ to put that Genie back in the bottle, yes? You may agree with the school in “principle” but legally, if they allow “walking billboards” for ANY other cause, then they must allow Mrs. Amador’s daughter to be a walking billboard for HER cause also.

In fact, it is not only commendable that this young woman wore that t-shirt, it is heroic in the most basic sense of that word. She will win her case, probably out of court. (That grinding noise you hear is the school district rapidly shifting into reverse.)


24 posted on 07/06/2009 2:24:13 PM PDT by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: reaganaut1
I agree with the school. Children should not be sent to school as walking billboards for any political cause, on the left or right.If the school bans all politically based T-shirts, then it might have a chance of winning. However, the words "other inappropriate subject matter" suggest that some political views are considered appropriate. That would be "viewpoint discrimination" and so a violation of the First Amendment.
25 posted on 07/06/2009 2:24:41 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: allmendream
The law already states that the school is the de facto “parent” while the child is under their care.

Please cite that law to me.

26 posted on 07/06/2009 2:27:01 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: library user

They should ban screenings of An Inconvenient Truth in that school too, to be consistent.

It has graphic (but simulated) depictions of New York flooding as a result of Man’s reckless disregard for the environment.


27 posted on 07/06/2009 2:27:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: reaganaut1

Agreed. They need to nip it before a giant can of worms is opened. The insuing arguement would become a major distraction and disruption at the school.

I tell my people here at work not to talk about issues like this, even if they are things I agree with just to keep from starting a war.


28 posted on 07/06/2009 2:27:55 PM PDT by envisio (Sexual Beer & BBQ Ribs)
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To: a fool in paradise

Banned?

Surely you jest.

They’re soon to be mandatory.


29 posted on 07/06/2009 2:27:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: allmendream

So long as the school ALSO takes a “hands off” approach on pushing for political causes (Earth Day, Gay Pride, Communist Women’s Day...) and does not put advocacy posters into hallways.

Are Young Conservatives and Young Liberals student clubs permissible?


30 posted on 07/06/2009 2:30:19 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
It is a concept known as “in loco parentis” or ‘in place of a parent’.

Here is a bit of Justice Thomas’s take on it (while citing the relevant case of Lander vs Seaver)....

Justice Clarence Thomas has argued that Tinker’s ruling contradicted “the traditional understanding of the judiciary’s role in relation to public schooling,” and ignored the history of public education (127 S.Ct. 2634). He believed the judiciary’s role to determine whether students have freedom of expression was limited by in loco parentis. He cited Lander v. Seaver (1986) which held that in loco parentis allowed schools to punish student expression that the school or teacher believed contradicted the school’s interests and educational goals. This ruling declared that the only restriction the doctrine imposed were acts of legal malice or acts that caused permanent injury. Neither of these were the case with Tinker.

31 posted on 07/06/2009 2:30:23 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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I agree with the school. Children should not be sent to school as walking billboards for any political cause, on the left or right.

If the school bans all politically based T-shirts, then it might have a chance of winning. However, the words "other inappropriate subject matter" suggest that some political views are considered appropriate. That would be "viewpoint discrimination" and so a violation of the First Amendment.

32 posted on 07/06/2009 2:30:41 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: reaganaut1
Government schools, the First Amendment, and freedom of conscience are utterly incompatible. If the school allows free speech chaos reigns. If it forbids free speech it violates a God-given right.

Rather than trample the First Amendment and our God-given rights or allow chaos to reign, I have a solution:

ABOLISH GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS!

33 posted on 07/06/2009 2:31:23 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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34 posted on 07/06/2009 2:32:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: rawhide

A fetus in a womb is graphic huh? How about a picture after it’s had it’s brain sucked out?! Would that be more appropriate?


35 posted on 07/06/2009 2:37:13 PM PDT by albie
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To: rawhide
What would happen if a student wore a T-shirt with a photo of a Rainbow flag sitting in urine or smeared with elephant dung? ( Just wondering.) It's art. Isn't it?

I think conservatives should wear whatever necessary to upset the administration into over reacting.

By using their own rules against them ( using Saul Alinsky techniques) we can squander resources and time, generate publicity, delegitimize the schools, and further drive government schooling into a deeper pit ineffectualness.

36 posted on 07/06/2009 2:38:56 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: envisio

You mean the kids might have to think for themselves and debate the issue? We might see the end of the world if that happens. School shouldn’t be like a workplace in at least one respect; we should encourage debate and independent thinking.


37 posted on 07/06/2009 2:38:59 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: dirtymac

They probably signed you up anyway.


38 posted on 07/06/2009 2:41:03 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: albie

I was assuming they were going to say it was the latter when I read the word “graphic.” That would truly violate the “violent” provision of their dress code. Instead they rely on blanket censorship thanks to the phrase “or other inappropriate subject matter.”


39 posted on 07/06/2009 2:41:12 PM PDT by messierhunter
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To: allmendream
He opined long ago that perhaps the best solution is to just out and out say “A kid doesn't have 1st amendment rights at school.”
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The best solution would be to declare all government k-12 schools in violation of the First Amendment! They are anyway.

40 posted on 07/06/2009 2:42:42 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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