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To: ElectricStrawberry

I don’t blame you for defending your Evo-religion, but if you go back and read the Nat’l Geographic article, it is they who refer to the degraded cells as “skin” not unlike bird or croc skin. And as for rational explanations, the most obvious rational explanation for unfossilized dino blood, blood vessels, connective tissue, and now skin, is that dinos are far more recent than the Temple of Darwin would have us believe.


28 posted on 07/06/2009 10:19:27 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
if you go back and read the Nat’l Geographic article, it is they who refer to the degraded cells as “skin” not unlike bird or croc skin.

Not that I can see, not really. They say the dinosaur when it was alive had skin not unlike bird or croc skin. They don't say they found unfossilized skin--in fact, the article says "Such a discovery was possible because the dinosaur's skin fossilized before bacteria had a chance to eat up the tissue." The headline should probably have read '"Dinosaur Mummy" Had [rather than Has] Skin Like Birds' and Crocodiles'," but it must get frustrating to try and write summaries and headlines in a way that creationists can't distort.

36 posted on 07/06/2009 10:36:46 AM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: GodGunsGuts

“it is they who refer to the degraded cells as not unlike bird or croc skin”

—But that isn’t from an analysis of soft tissue, but of rock which has formed into the shape of the dino’s skin. Usually soft tissue degrades away before it can be fossilized, but in this case much of it lasted long enough that it, too, fossilized much as bones often do. Of course, when paleontologists say that a bone has been preserved, they (usually) don’t mean they literally found bone tissue, but instead that a rock has been found in the shape of a bone that preserves many of its anatomical features. In this case rock has been found that preserves many of the anatomical features of the skin that allows them to compare it to the skin of crocs and birds.

As for the find of “soft tissue”, the only soft tissue I saw mentioned are amino acids (which in many conditions are nearly indestructible).
I’m Actually a bit surprised that in a structure so well preserved that not even proteins survived. As I’ve mentioned before, it wasn’t that long ago that many scientists were hopeful that we’d begin finding dino dna - and perhaps even begin sequencing them (one of the things that inspired Jurassic Park). Decades later we’re still looking for the first dino nucleobase. Even finding proteins is proving incredibly difficult, and they are FAR hardier and last VASTLY longer than dna.
So perhaps the “rational explanation” is that dinos are far older than we thought? :-) Or maybe it’s that we don’t understand very well how preservation works in many conditions.


63 posted on 07/06/2009 11:27:25 AM PDT by goodusername
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To: GodGunsGuts
Lemme know when you understand what you're reading...it IS very plain english. They found amino acids amongst mineralized (as in...fossilized) skin, nothing more. The most certainly did not find "skin cells." Yes, what they found showed what type of skin this particular beast had.....but it was still fossilized.....just as fossilized feathers showed that certain "no longer in existance" animals had feathers.

As in, maybe if you understood what you're reading when they said:

Such a discovery was possible because the dinosaur's skin fossilized before bacteria had a chance to eat up the tissue.

....you'd know that "fossilized" skin is skin that has had it's structures replaced by "minerals".......and yes, they found some amino acids in the minerals.....but they in no freakin' way found "skin cells"....or "skin"....any more than finding a "fossilized bone" means you're finding a "bone."

What they did not even BEGIN to find was "skin" or "skin cells" or even "proteins that make up skin cells"......amino acids only...precursors to proteins.

81 posted on 07/06/2009 1:02:29 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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