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Socialism is Just Feudalism of the New Dark Ages
Self | 7/5/09 | Fred Jake

Posted on 07/05/2009 6:48:53 PM PDT by FredJake

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I was reading an article written by OneVike on "How the Renaissance Led to the Reformation" part I and "How the Renaissance Led to the Reformation" part II and I had to get this off my mind before I totally forgot what my head was thinking and how we seem to be destined to repeat history.

Am I the only one who sees the similarity? I tried to link as many sites to my article as I could to bolster my point. Well, I guess I will soon find out if anyone agrees or if I am just blowing smoke.

1 posted on 07/05/2009 6:48:53 PM PDT by FredJake
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To: FredJake

Bookmark for later.


2 posted on 07/05/2009 6:55:28 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: FredJake
I came to a similar conclusion from another perspective.

Someone (at YAF) argued that Obama and the Democrats are always advocating “change,” or something “new” and “different.” They never admit to a heritage. In fact they have a heritage, one of failure. All the basic ideas have been tried! When you have an idea that has already failed, you position it as “new” rather than to admit your track record.

We've centralized power in the government since the Pharaoh. Kings, communist leaders, fascist dictatorships, are all variations upon a theme.

The really new, radical idea is freedom, to include free markets. The American state, conceived in liberty, is the new idea. Everything else is a throwback.

3 posted on 07/05/2009 7:00:48 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: FredJake

I’ve been thinking along EXACTLY the same lines over the past few months, with different but analogous reading materials. I’ve been reading about the Church, Luther/Reformation, monarchs... years from about 900 thru the 1500’s. Quite the battles, political and otherwise, of popes versus Kings, Papal Supremacy versus Royal Supremacy (compare today with the Executive Supremacy).


4 posted on 07/05/2009 7:01:27 PM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: FredJake

While there are some good points that you make, the whole matrix of your article is dependent on two myths: one, that the Dark Ages was such as you depicted it (if that is the case, then why were such beautiful creations as Gothic cathedrals created, universities established, and people during the “high” medieval age before the Black Death were as tall as present-day people); and two, the “Reformation” as instituted by Luther, Calvin, and their fellow travelers was needed. While there was a certain corruption of all too many clerics during the late medieval/Renaissance time period, the way those first Protestants went about their business was, in reality, the “zenith” of the first phase of the current secular Revolution against the order of Western civilization/Christendom.


5 posted on 07/05/2009 7:02:20 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: FredJake

Not exactly. How does special rights for homos fit in? And Abortion rights for women?


6 posted on 07/05/2009 7:03:28 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: Pyro7480

You should read OV’s articles I linked that help explane some of your questions. I can only go by what I read that was written by others with more knowledge than I. I was struck by the many similarities from that period and now.

Like I said read his articles and than tell me if you still disagree, OK?


7 posted on 07/05/2009 7:10:03 PM PDT by FredJake
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To: FredJake

See the tagline.


8 posted on 07/05/2009 7:10:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A new Dark Ages made all the more terrible and prolonged by the sinister powers of science.")
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To: sickoflibs

Not everything always works exactly the way it would, but I am basically talking about the way the socialists want to control everything in our lives as did the feudal lords of the middle ages.


9 posted on 07/05/2009 7:12:21 PM PDT by FredJake
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To: BenLurkin

Obviously you agree.....LOL


10 posted on 07/05/2009 7:13:22 PM PDT by FredJake
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To: FredJake
Only if we let it happen, amigo.
11 posted on 07/05/2009 7:19:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A new Dark Ages made all the more terrible and prolonged by the sinister powers of science.")
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To: FredJake

Good points and bookmarked for later reading.


12 posted on 07/05/2009 7:21:44 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Woodrow Wilson should have been waterboarded.)
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To: ChessExpert

Your tagline is great and its a pity that the morons at GOP.com don’t have that stat up on their homepage.


13 posted on 07/05/2009 7:25:09 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: FredJake

I been saying this for years we are headed towards a modern day Feudalism.

Any threads I posted on Feudalism or Hegelian the tool used to bring about the evil designs of men which only got a few post.

thanks for the article


14 posted on 07/05/2009 7:26:10 PM PDT by restornu (I wil lNOT shrink I will STAND BOLDLY for thy will be done Oh LORD!)
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To: FredJake

The fall of the Roman Empire led to a thousand years of darkness in the Western world. One can only speculate what such a nightmare would look like today.

You’ve got understand that the people who’ve now gotten their hands on the apparatus of the American State would rather rule in Hell than live in peace with the rest of us. They will happily reduce Western civilization to stinking pile of rubble and corpses as long as they believe that they will be the ones sitting on top of the ruins.

Why? Because a free and prosperous people cannot be enslaved. They must be broken first. Take a good long look at what’s happening now in America. Then turn around and take another look. If what they’re saying doesn’t square with what they’re doing; if it looks like there’s an concerted effort to destroy our once Constitutional Republic and replace it with... something else - then you’re probably right. None of what’s happening today makes any sense unless you look at it that way - and then it makes a perfectly clear and terrible sort of sense, doesn’t it?


15 posted on 07/05/2009 7:39:35 PM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: FredJake

Pilgrims Socialist Experiment Failed too....

http://forum.isi.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3830054552/m/1850052092


16 posted on 07/05/2009 7:40:44 PM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: FredJake

Some very good points.

And just like many people in the Middle Ages sold themselves into serfdom (to be taken care of by their overlords), many Americans are willing to trade their freedom and independence for comfort and security.


17 posted on 07/05/2009 7:44:07 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: FredJake
Bump. I agree, there are definitely many similarities. It is basically the age old humanism. Any society that believes man (without God) has the answers to life's problems, whether it is a king, pharaoh, emperor, or one of the “izms”, Nazism, socialism, communism, etc. will in reality enslave huge masses of humanity to serve the few in power at the top, all in the lie that they will benevolently “take care” of us. A country or group cannot have true liberty outside of humble acknowledgement of God and doing things his way. I pray for reformation in our country.
18 posted on 07/05/2009 7:47:38 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: FredJake; OneVike
You should read OV’s articles I linked that help explane some of your questions.

Fair enough- I will try to do so, and, ping him to this, and my post #5 for his response.

19 posted on 07/05/2009 7:54:29 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Noumenon
..."and then it makes a perfectly clear and terrible sort of sense, doesn’t it?"

YES, unfortunately, it does.....

20 posted on 07/05/2009 8:01:17 PM PDT by goodnesswins (For lease)
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