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The Constitution’s Final Edit
Pajamas Media ^ | July 5 | Clayton Cramer

Posted on 07/05/2009 12:54:52 PM PDT by AJKauf

Have you ever wondered what the last change to the U.S. Constitution was, before the delegates at Philadelphia signed it?

It was actually pretty momentous.

The Constitution provides that in the lower house of Congress “the Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative.” The last change was from “one for every forty Thousand” to “one for every thirty Thousand.”

Who made it? And why?

Nathaniel Gorham of Massachusetts explained that “if it was not too late he could wish [this change], for the purpose of lessening objections to the Constitution.” His request was soon seconded by Daniel Carrol of Maryland and Rufus King of Massachusetts — and then a really important person took a position on this proposal...

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1 posted on 07/05/2009 12:54:52 PM PDT by AJKauf
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To: AJKauf
It is impractical to go back to the 30,000:1 ratio; that would give us a House with more than 10,000 members

But also a House that would have people who might actually listen to the lowly peon citizen. Would it be all that infeasible to turn Capitol Hill into a 30 story office tower?

2 posted on 07/05/2009 1:03:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

they’d never be able to get anything done! hmmmmmmm...


3 posted on 07/05/2009 1:07:04 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>Would it be all that infeasible to turn Capitol Hill into a 30 story office tower?

Given the current size of government, how could MORE representation [on behalf of the Citizen] be bad?


4 posted on 07/05/2009 1:07:40 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: stefanbatory
they’d never be able to get anything done

Therein lies the merit of it.

5 posted on 07/05/2009 1:10:23 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: AJKauf
It is impractical to go back to the 30,000:1 ratio; that would give us a House with more than 10,000 members.

The Constitution doesn't require such a ratio. It says the House can't "exceed" one Representative for every 30,000 people. It doesn't say it needs to have one Representative for every 30,000 people. The current House does not "exceed" that number, so it is not violating the Constitution (at least in this regard).

6 posted on 07/05/2009 1:13:31 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: stefanbatory

that’s not like real life at all!


7 posted on 07/05/2009 1:16:04 PM PDT by A1Sauce
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To: AJKauf
shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand

The Number of Representatives does not exceed one for every thirty Thousand.

The Constitution says shall not be greater than, not, shall not be less than, one for every thirty Thousand.

8 posted on 07/05/2009 1:29:56 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Repeal 16-17

This would make it feasible to shrink the House to 50 people.


9 posted on 07/05/2009 1:35:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No it wouldn’t, because the House needs to be proportional by States.


10 posted on 07/05/2009 1:51:42 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Repeal 16-17

Does the Constitution say how small they can go? Just round to the population of the biggest state (presumably California) and you get your “proportionality.” Proportionality certainly doesn’t exist in any arithmetic approximation now when comparing, say, Rhode Island to Texas.

The bigger impact of a move in either direction. would be on the Electoral College, whose per-state membership equals that of Senators plus Representatives. Revert to the old 30K:1 proportion and we essentially have a president elected by popular vote. Shrink to minimum size and the flyover states will have an uncommon clout.


11 posted on 07/05/2009 1:58:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s time for a Virtual Congress on the Internet. That way you can have those 10,000 congressmen, and they never have to leave their districts.


12 posted on 07/05/2009 2:09:03 PM PDT by Publius (Gresham's Law: Bad victims drive good victims out of the market.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The bigger impact of a move in either direction. would be on the Electoral College, whose per-state membership equals that of Senators plus Representatives. Revert to the old 30K:1 proportion and we essentially have a president elected by popular vote. Shrink to minimum size and the flyover states will have an uncommon clout.

I believe the 435 setting to be a compromise between those extremes without violating the letter of the Constitution.

13 posted on 07/05/2009 3:40:00 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: AJKauf

Then make it 1 to 50,000 or maybe 1 to 100,000.

This kind of “close” representation would mean your Congresscritter would live in your city or town and you would probably know the candidate on a first-name basis. This would eliminate “celebrity” legislators and improve the quality of representation because you could actually sit down with your rep and make your views known, face to face.

Those prima donnas now in Washington don’t know you (unless you make big contributions) and don’t care what you think.


14 posted on 07/05/2009 4:06:05 PM PDT by DNME (How much food is in your house? How much water?)
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To: DNME
Those prima donnas now in Washington don’t know you (unless you make big contributions) and don’t care what you think.

Absolutely the truth.

I recently sent my Rep Joe Wilson (R-2nd-SC) an email asking him why the pubbies haven't called out nobama for all the unconstitutional things he's done. Here's Joe's response to my email:

Thank you for your recent correspondence. I appreciate your taking the time to write.

I understand your concerns and welcome your interest in this matter. Please be assured that I will keep your thoughts in mind should legislation pertaining to this issue come before me in the United States House of Representatives during the 111th Congress.

It is an honor to represent the people of the Second Congressional District of South Carolina, and I value your input.

If I may be of further assistance to you, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Very truly yours,
Joe Wilson

Now I'm patiently waiting to vote against him in the primary next year.

It it outrageous to have to put up with this no representation in the Congress.

15 posted on 07/05/2009 4:37:09 PM PDT by upchuck (Psalm 109:8 ~ Let his days be few; and let another take his office.)
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To: upchuck

What a putz! He does nothing in Congress unless a bill comes to his desk? Just sits there and waits for bills all day? Yeah..........OOOOOOK


16 posted on 07/05/2009 8:45:54 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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