Posted on 07/05/2009 2:17:35 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Bernard Madoff hires help to survive hard time
(Bob Daemmrich/Polaris/eyevine) The 'Supermax' jail in Colorado where Madoff could find himself
James Bone in New York
Bernard Madoff has hired a veteran prison consultant to help him to find the best possible jail in which to serve his 150-year sentence for Wall Street’s biggest fraud.
After his sentencing this week Madoff, now Prisoner No 1727-054, met Herb Hoelter, of the National Centre for Institutions and Alternatives, whose previous clients include the jailed Sotheby’s chairman Alfred Taubman and the financiers Michael Milken and Ivan Boesky.
The draconian maximum sentence imposed by the judge means that Madoff, 71, will be assigned to a tougher category of prison than most white-collar criminals.
He could be forced to mingle with murderers, rapists, drug-dealers and white supremacist gangs with a hatred of Jews. Madoff is Jewish.
He could even find himself incarcerated with terrorists in the infamous “Supermax” jail in Florence, Colorado.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...
By the way, who pays the consulting fee? I am sure it is not for free.
Ping!
Is that so? LOL.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_12424986
Supermax too full for Guantanamo detainees
By Bruce Finley
The Denver Post
Posted: 05/22/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT
Updated: 05/22/2009 09:16:12 AM MDT
Should Guantanamo detainees be transferred to Supermax in Florence? denverpost.com (Associated Press file photo )Moving any large number of terror detainees from Guantanamo Bay to Colorado's Supermax would require either shuffling current residents out of the Florence prison or expanding its capacity and resolving a long-running battle over adequate prison staffing.
As President Barack Obama and congressional leaders point toward the Colorado federal prison as a possible new home for some of the detainees, one big problem is the bed-space crunch.
Supermax’s approximately 480 concrete cells already are jammed with the likes of Oklahoma City bombing co-conspirator Terry Nichols, Atlanta Olympics bomber Eric Rudolph and other notorious domestic criminals. There also are 33 international terrorists, including Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, 1993 World Trade Center bombing mastermind Ramzi Yousef and failed airline shoe bomber Richard Reid.
Only one bed was not filled Thursday at Supermax, U.S. Bureau of Prisons spokeswoman Tracy Billingsley said.
btw, why does he still have money to pay someone
There is something wrong with our justice system when someone convicted of a financial crime receives 150 years in prison while someone who convicted of killing a human being receives a sentences as low as seven years. Having said that I am not justifying what Madoff did or the anguish he caused.
That's true. He stole billions. The government steals trillions and trillions from taxpayers every year.
He got 150 years because he exposed the corruption within the SEC not because he stole $50 Billion dollars.
That said he shouldn’t spend the time in a Supermax with all those others. They should be shot and he should go to a medium security work camp. Those Supermax prisons are expensive.
Eglin Federal Prison on Eglin Air Base. No Walls just lines not to cross. A little Golf work and that’s it.
Am I the first person ever to hear the term “prison consultant?”
sheesh...
Unfortunately, in Law, it is necessary to equate human life and money - but not even in Law, also in Commerce (building a large, e.g., public works project is calculated to always cost several human lives because construction workers are killed accidently).
Someone who robs you of $1000 has effectively stolen part of your life - namely, the amount of time you would need to earn / save $1000.
Supposing that you and your extended family were all found guilty of stealing / defrauding / embezzeling $100 million, and ordered by the court to "work it off." That would effectively mean that you and 20 - 30 other persons would be sentenced to servitude for the remainder of your natural lives. But if you, as an individual, were alone guilty, and unable to pay recompense, then that means that the, say, one thousand people whom you defrauded each "lost" approx. $100,000 in life-time.
Furthermore, let's remember that Madoff committed his crimes with deliberation, over a period of many, many years - whereas taking a human life - e.g., in a bar brawl - can be a spontaneous event.
Finally, one should note that Madoff was sentenced to 150 years - but that he will under no circumstances actually sit in prison for 150 years.
Regards,
Hoelter worked on the IRS case with Willie Nelson and that’s when Willie made the album “”IRS tapes or something what ever it was called.
He also was influential in the Leona Helmsley case,too.
Wow. Denver? Really?
He should have got a “LIFE” coach.
Nothing much is achieved by putting Madoff in Supermax except scaring the crap out of him for the rest of his unnatural life and putting his life in constant peril from other prisoners.
That’s not too useful.
IMO he would be better in a medium security prison with minimal creature comforts and a job making license plates. He can’t dig ditches at his age and it would be silly to make him try. But he certainly can stamp license plates, one after the other after the other, day in, day out, week after week, month after year, for the rest of his life.
That would be punishment that fits the crime.
(Liz ping)
“Am I the first person ever to hear the term “prison consultant?” “
It could almost be a movie title, kind of a sequal to “The Wedding Planner” or something...
Lives lost in construction projects, whether public or private, are not intentional except in those instances where the behavior amounts to gross neglience for which the law then assumes the requisite intent.
I would further suggest you are blurring the lines between civil and criminal proceedings. In criminal trials, any monetary fines are paid to the state and not to the victims. The victims of Madoff's crimes are still free to Madoff in civil actions in which his conviction of federal charges could be used against him.
In civil cases where neither imprisonment or death is available as a rememdy, the standard of proof is far lower which tacitly acknowledges that death or imprisonment is a far more severe sanction than mere monetary penalties.
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