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Study Refutes Protein's Role in Heart Attacks
ScienceNOW Daily News ^ | 30 June 2009 | Jennifer Couzin-Frankel

Posted on 07/04/2009 10:05:03 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 07/04/2009 10:05:03 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

It seems to me complex carbohydrates, trans fats, hydrogenated oils, and other such things cause heart disease.


2 posted on 07/04/2009 10:09:46 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: LukeL

Simple carbs (plus all the other items you mentioned).


3 posted on 07/04/2009 10:33:05 PM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: LukeL

I think the big thing is genetics.


4 posted on 07/04/2009 10:45:34 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: LukeL

Moderate daily consumption of olive oil significantly suppresses the formation of unwanted blood clots, whether in the heart, lung, brain, or elsewhere. The effect only lasts for a day or so, so the dietary intake must be kept up.

Another paradoxical discovery is that while fat people do get more heart attacks, those heart attacks are likely to be less severe than those suffered by thin people.


5 posted on 07/04/2009 11:06:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: neverdem

ping


6 posted on 07/05/2009 2:28:05 AM PDT by Bellflower (The end of this age is near but the beginning of the next glorious one is coming!)
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To: neverdem

Anything that looks that much like a big hairy donut has to be dangerous.


7 posted on 07/05/2009 5:17:18 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: LukeL; austinmark; FreedomCalls; IslandJeff; JRochelle; MarMema; Txsleuth; Newtoidaho; ...
It seems to me complex carbohydrates, trans fats, hydrogenated oils, and other such things cause heart disease.

Trans fats are usually partially hydrogenated vegetable oils.

Complex carbohydrates are usually your friends. Here's a good summary with references as recent as 2008.

Carbohydrates: Good Carbs Guide the Way

FReepmail me if you want on or off the diabetes ping list.

8 posted on 07/05/2009 12:18:08 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Moderate daily consumption of olive oil significantly suppresses the formation of unwanted blood clots, whether in the heart, lung, brain, or elsewhere. The effect only lasts for a day or so, so the dietary intake must be kept up.

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Since about three years ago, I have chosen to cook exclusively with olive oil. Beyond the health benefits, I love the taste.

Another paradoxical discovery is that while fat people do get more heart attacks, those heart attacks are likely to be less severe than those suffered by thin people.

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That's interesting. It does seem odd, but I have long wondered if extreme thinness is a health risk.

9 posted on 07/05/2009 12:24:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the info, I just printed it out for my husband, he is the Type 2 diabetic and he is having trouble with his blood sugar.


10 posted on 07/05/2009 12:34:36 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: neverdem
The simple/complex dichotomy has long been abandoned. The article you point to says so but then it goes on into the more modern glycemic index approach to judging carbohydrate sources.

(Pssst, I hope you read your article.)

It has a something that's a chronic error ~ the difficulty with fructose ~ or fruit sugar. Ordinarily these sugars are so wrapped up in fibers they aren't a real problem. When fruits and vegetables are turned into juice, the sugar is no longer well wrapped and you might as well be eating sugar by the spoonful.

11 posted on 07/05/2009 1:25:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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I eat several pieces of fresh fruit every day - A banana, some raisins, one or more peaches, nectarines, or plums, perhaps an orange, and usually two or three apples - depending on which ones are in season. And my glucose averages below 100, both morning and late evening.


12 posted on 07/05/2009 2:44:37 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: MainFrame65
On the other hand do you inject insulin, or are you a Type II diabetic, or maybe you don't have diabetes at all.

Remember, the primary diabetic problem is control of glucose levels. Sugar, from whatever sources, is turned into glucose in the liver ~ just like we were big ol' bumble bees!

I've been working at this for half a decade and I think I've gotten my daily swings down to about 110 points ~ can't imagine an "average" of 100.

13 posted on 07/05/2009 2:52:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MainFrame65

BTW, bananas are NEVER recommended to diabetics. There’s no fiber in the fleshy part you eat and that sugar is just sitting there ready to be turned into glucose. I think the glycemic level for bananas is the same as white bread, orange juice and cane sugar ~ to wit: 100.


14 posted on 07/05/2009 2:53:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I described myself earlier. Five years ago, after 3 years of progressive loss of feeling in my feet and legs, but NORMAL fasting glucose levels, my Dr found that my A1c was nearly 8. He handed me a copy of a diabetic diet, and a prescription for a meter. I was supposed to just measure glucose twice a day to establish a baseline. The following evening I had the featured dish at a chinese restaurant - sweet & sour something, over a heaping mound of rice - and a glucose reading of 244 two hours after the meeting!

So I did some research, and decided that the diabetic diet was filled with carbohydrates - and I would be better served with a low-glycemic diet - and it has CONTROLLED my glucose for 5 years, with NO medications for diabetes. My A1c is normal, and my glucose (2-4 hours after eating) is normal as well. But the neuropathy (confirmed by nerve conduction tests - persists, although it has stopped getting worse.

According to some, I am not diabetic like my mother was, but I know that sugar, (including orange juice or soft drinks,) rice, or potatoes in any quantity will send my glucose above 200 again, and pasta or bread are almost as bad. I suppose that would be the hundred-point swing you describe - but I don’t do those things any more.


15 posted on 07/05/2009 4:06:31 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: MainFrame65
Gee whiz, I don't do any of those things anymore either ~ but I can get a 100 point swing even after restricting my diet to raw hamburger or baked ham for a week or two (and it ain't all that bad ~ I think I may be a bit more carnivorous than other people).

The problem is I used to get 200+ swings ABOVE 110.

Helps you sleep Fur Shur.

My A1C, however, is in the "normal range".

More recently the researchers have been suggesting the swings "ain't no thang" when it comes to heart condition and we may be better off not worrying about them.

16 posted on 07/05/2009 5:36:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: neverdem; muawiyah; MainFrame65; Ditter; trisham; Bellflower; HiTech RedNeck; LukeL; ...

I will not trust any study unless they say whether the difference was in relative risk or absolute risk. Since this study recommends lowering cholesterol even in people with normal (defined as whatever they say it is today), makes me wonder if this study was funded by a drug company that sells statins. Stastistics can be so used and abused.

Have to agree that the body treats all carbs as carbs. Yes, “good” carbs are processed more slowly, but they are still carbs.

I know neverdem has seen this, but for others, this might be of interest to you, although it flies in the face of conventional wisdom:

Thisis a straightforward, real science blog -

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2009/06/figure-flaw-paradox-does-it-really.html - Does it really matter how your figure measures up?

Another good real science site: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=3232247&page=1 - If there is no benefit, why tolerate any risk?

Also, suggest the book Overdosed America (except for his lame support of gov’t health care), and the books by Dr. Nortin Hadler, MD.


17 posted on 07/05/2009 6:45:19 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: LukeL
"It seems to me complex carbohydrates, trans fats, hydrogenated oils, and other such things cause heart disease."

Bacterial inflammation causes most heart attacks.

Consumption of carbohydrates raises blood glucose levels, thus boosting the bacterial count, and increasing the risk. Sugar is the enemy, regardless of what disease you are dealing with.

18 posted on 07/05/2009 7:20:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

I have always thought of cholesterol as being an indicator of inflammation, like how WBC is a marker for infection, if you artificially lower the cholesterol the inflammation is sill present its just that there is less cholesterol to stick to the inflamed walls of the arteries


19 posted on 07/05/2009 7:25:42 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: muawiyah; MainFrame65
More recently the researchers have been suggesting the swings "ain't no thang" when it comes to heart condition and we may be better off not worrying about them.

Don't fall for that trap, unless you already know how to read braille.

20 posted on 07/05/2009 7:29:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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