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To: PuzzledInTX
I read the commentary. The Citizens’ Grand Jury idea is not as crazy as it sounds. It is MUCH crazier.

Associate Justice was not in any way referring to some self-appointed “citizens’ grand jury.”

This is all part of the Income Tax is unconstitutional, no federal felony trials or sentences are legal if the court in which they are tried or handed down has a U.S flag in it, etc. crowd.

Finally regarding Mr. Donofrio’s opinion. Too bad the courts do not agree with him. I would remind you of other lawyers’ statements, such as Johnny Cochran's assurance that O.J was not guilty, Lynne Stewart promise that she is a patriotic American, and the assertions of two former Aranses lawyers that “It Takes A Village” and “I did not have sex with that woman, Mz Lewinski!”

56 posted on 07/03/2009 1:44:47 PM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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To: MindBender26

Remember that bit about gold braid on courtroom flags? What was it, admiralty law or martial law or something like that?


58 posted on 07/03/2009 2:53:54 PM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: MindBender26

The term “crazy” does and does not apply to the grand jury facade the subject group has dawned.

I’ll use the term “ridiculous” instead of crazy. It’s ridiculous to say that one’s group is a grand jury is one does not sit at the whim of U.S. Attorneys who seek indictments.

It’s ridiculous to think that gov’t will enforce the law even if you prove criminal violations of federal criminal statutes which, by the way, are worded very broadly; you can accidently violate some of them.

I think it’s ridiculous to think that the DOJ will look at or treat this conduct as unlawful, beyond issuing a warning to the group that their process too lcosely resembles legal documents involving U.S. governmental affairs or judicial proceedings.

This aspect tied to fund raising efforts might also combine to paint an ill picture of the group, but it does not rise to the language of the lawyer’s post previously entered.

That said, 18 USC sec. 4 requires anyone who knows of a felony under federal law to report it to a judge, or civil or military authority. A grand jury is such an authority, and reporting crime can take the shape of criminal complaints crafted closely to the style the DOJ uses when it seeks an indictment.

I would suggest that the group drop the pretense of BEING a grand jury and rather complain as if they had bona fide evidence of crime, in criminal complaints, notarized, and submit them to grand juries, the DOJ, their Congressmen, and others.

Perhaps provide a blank indictment, perhaps symbolically signed and stated to be such, sent to grand jury foreperson via registered mail, stating that YOU would sing the attached indictment if YOU were sitting on a grand jury.

Publicize, popularize, and give the perp knowledge that they’re just 12 citizens in the right place at the right time from being indicted.

Call your “presentment” a criminal complaint or an information, but not an “indictment”, you’re not a grand jury.

Indicting Obama is the quickest and most peaceful way to bring change we sane people can believe in. Was his campaign “fraud by wire, radio or television”? Is that a violation of 18 USC sec. 1343? Did it affect one or more financial institutions? That’s 30 years in prison.

IndictObama


64 posted on 07/13/2009 10:12:19 PM PDT by IndictObama
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