[Mr. Silverback]

Something go boom in the lav?

Three and a half hours between detonation and the next sign of a problem? No way.

[texas booster]

Good eyes. There was a long time difference between the warnings and the accident.

If the rudder has already been identified as a weakness, then a device with a timer, placed by ground crew or assembled in the lav, might be enough to create a weakness that would be troublesome.

The first warnings came, maybe 2 hours into the fight?