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To: Vaquero
we need to block the islamification of America.

Blocking the Islamification of America, and shutting the door completely are two different questions.

I do find that most of the people who think the country is too crowded live in big cities, where they in a sense choose to be crowded. I was born and spent most of my life in Connecticut, but have spent a lot of time in Brooklyn and the Bronx, and presently live in a rural location. I actually prefer the suburbs, but believe this is a better way to raise my children.

When I said Europe was withering, I was referring to the native European population, whom the Muslims are taunting with jokes about retirement homes on the African coast as the native Europeans age out and the Muslims take over. When the average number of children per native Italian, Spanish or French woman hovers around 1.2, and is barely at replacement even in Poland and Ireland, the vacuum WILL be filled from somewhere.

Actual police enforcement of laws deserves a place on both continents to prevent illegal immigration. Sane laws should encourage immigration from those whose cultures are compatible with the host's countries or are most likely to be able to adapt without setting up a parallel society.

It is also important to be able to show people that traditional western values are better. It would be very difficult to "convert" a Muslim on moral values in a place like the Netherlands with prostitutes of every variety selling themselves with state licensing, every accommodation given to those who are homosexual perverts, euthanasia and subsidized abortion on demand including sending abortion boats to countries that have not yet sunk to that barbarism. Unfortunately, these Muslims are likely to think that this is the logical outcome of "western" society, when it is really western society perverted by materialistic relativism (among other things).

New York City had just as many people in the 1940s as it does today. But even most of the poor people had a different attitude. They simply did without, which meant they had fewer clothes, less expensive food, no vacations to speak of, and not much in the way of purchased entertainment. The one indulgence might be booze or cigarettes. They didn't swear much in public, they didn't dress indecently, and they kept their stoops clean. There was comparatively less squalor.

There was a sense of community then that melted away in the '60s. People who came to this country to live, learned the language, and adapted, at least when outside the neighborhood, with the exception of a handful of old-timers who kept to themselves and harmed nobody. At that time, there was a moral consensus about the role of the country and the role of the citizen. That is gone. Islam will appeal to some segments who are trying to fill that vacuum.
16 posted on 07/01/2009 12:23:51 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (we also have the duty to avoid prostituting our Catholic identity by appeals to phony dialogue)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Blocking the Islamification of America, and shutting the door completely are two different questions.

absolutely not...

When the average number of children per native Italian, Spanish or French woman hovers around 1.2, and is barely at replacement even in Poland and Ireland, the vacuum WILL be filled from somewhere.

There is NO vacuum. you prevent the vacuum by preventing immigration. the big problem europe has is that they opened the door to these people and forgot what their ancestors fought for in the Crusades....their “enlightened” attitude will kill them. I know the Islamic-hordes for what they are, but because europe and America seems to have their heads up their collective a$$e$ and this is one of the reasons we are heading for a civil war in America.

But to say the only way to one-up these people is to breed faster than they, dont look for that to happen. Our only chance is to drive them out....

17 posted on 07/02/2009 4:06:43 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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