Posted on 06/30/2009 7:19:09 PM PDT by DBrow
>Plus I think something like Glasers is safer than the Sig .357 the marshals carry.
Hm, really? I like my .357 Magnum, it’s a Colt Python though... not really CCW-style, but I have a .45 Glock that would do well as a CCW though.
Good glad he is not RINO. Interesting that he was against Iraq war.
I think the comment earlier on thread that banks don’t need guards if they haven’t been robbed is appropriate here. It is sort of like speed traps or IRS—the possibility that they could be on the plane is what is effective IMHO—not whether they actually are.
I think with the rather inconsistent foreign policy coming out of Washington, we may need the Air Marshalls more than ever because I think the terrorists likely feel more emboldened with new administration.
Yeah, lets get rid of all of them! I am along as soon as they apply the same “a couple bad apples justifies torching the orchard” standard to the local SWAT teams.
The story was here in FR somewhere.
“If you can spot an Air Marshal … he/she ain’t one. Trust me on that one.”
Trust me, if they aint an Air Marshal than there are other armed people on the planes.
They are easy to spot. I saw one try to put his gun thru the xray machine. His partner grabbed it off the belt and said “you don’t wanna do that”
“Pilots are locked behind their new security doors. For an armed pilot to respond to an emergency in the cabin requiring a gun, he’d have to unlock that armored door and open it, which could be the entire reason for the cabin ruckus.”
A pilot shouldn’t come out of his locked cabin, its his job to land the plane.
The passengers can take care of anything else except a bomb and then sometimes even that.
“Passengers wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell if trained terrorists took over control of an aircraft”
And a air marshal would? He’d be the first one taken out.
the key is to keep the bad people from getting on the plane in the first place.
Wyatt Earp wasn't a full-time government employee. He was a farmer, buffalo hunter, officer of the law in various Western frontier towns, gambler, saloon-keeper, miner and boxing referee.
The pilots should have the guns, not government workers. The air marshals have an incentive to kill people on occasion to justify their existence, and have done so. Pilots on the other hand have an incentive to keep people alive.
$860M. Say 5000 marshals, and an equal number of support people including trainers, admin, contracts, and so forth comes out to $86K per person. Add in training costs, health care, insurance, and so forth and per agent it’s not too much to have an armed person on the plane. Yeah, the pilot can open the cockpit door and get attacked if he wants to, and we can fantasize about armed passengers and ninja flight attendants, but realistically the only way we have now to get a guy with a gun legally on a flight is the air marshal program.
It probably costs less than putting 5000 cops on the street of a major city.
We have a Second Ammendment...why not just allow anybody with a CC permit to pack aboard a plane?
Well, nothing in the Second about permits or licenses. Maybe open carry on a plane is best, a poster above keeps saying he’s seen marshals with their weapons hanging out and nobody on the plane gets upset.
I agree keeping the bad people off the plane is first thought, but have you seen some of the goof balls that are doing the security??
If the air marshal does his job correctly, he shouldn’t be the first one taken out. If he jumps the gun or blurts out what he is, he’s an idiot.
An experienced traveler can spot the air marshals very very quickly. First of all the flight attendants treat them better. Many times they are allowed on the plan before anyone else. And they tend to have very small carryons. many times with a single heavy item in it that go clunk when they set it down.
“An experienced traveler can spot the air marshals very very quickly.”
LOL! If you spot one turn them in. That guy with the gun showing and irresponsible attitude either is not a marshal or should be fired. Do your duty. When you saw the man with the exposed gun on the flight you were on, what did you do? Assume he was an air marshal and do nothing?
What about the other people on the plane? Were they disturbed to see an exposed handgun on a supposed passenger?
As for being allowed on the plane first, you have never flown first-class, have you, or traveled with kids.
As for carry-ons, you think they put their Sig .357 in a case and put it under their seat? Then how was the one you saw “exposed”?
“When you saw the man with the exposed gun on the flight you were on, what did you do? Assume he was an air marshal and do nothing?”
Get off your high horse. Since he was talking with a flight attendent it was pretty darn obvious.
“What about the other people on the plane?”
Most other people didn’t notice.
“As for being allowed on the plane first, you have never flown first-class, have you, or traveled with kids.”
Still on that horse eh, frequently these jokers are allowed on the plane with the crew. Other times they board with first class and yet make their way to the back of the plane.
“As for carry-ons, you think they put their Sig .357 in a case and put it under their seat?”
Because he set it on the conveyor belt with a loud thunk and then his partner said “you don’t wanna do that” so they walked around the xray machine.
“I agree keeping the bad people off the plane is first thought, but have you seen some of the goof balls that are doing the security?”
Yes and those goofballs can really screw up your life, amazing isn’t it.
All the goofballs need to do is keep the guns and bombs off the plane. large knives would be an added plus. The passengers can take care of the rest.
So you don’t know how the marshall gets on the plane with his gun or where he keeps it.
You think they walk around the x-ray machine?
Clippity-clop!
I don’t think, I’ve seen it on many occassions. You’re really an annoying person, I’d be happy to have an air marshal on the plane if just to address you.
You said you saw an air marshal sitting in a seat by the toilets, talking to a flight attendant. Was his gun in a holster?
I fly all the time and have never seen that.
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