[Chunga]

OK, you’ve gone into non-responsive mode where you don’t actually “say things.” Have a good day.

[LS]

No, I'm suggesting you come up with other non-MJ albums for which Jones supposedly shines. Meanwhile, I think "Black and White," "Bad," "Man in the Mirror," and other songs were quite good---every bit as good as anything the J5 did---but without Jones. And, I think Cream's "Goodbye" album in terms of the songs that were good songs was every bit was well produced as "Disraeli Gears."

From a personal perspective, we did our best work without a producer---or when he did minimal work. Vanilla Fudge was the same way: the more a producer got involved, the worse the music was. I'm not saying a great producer can't make great songs even better, but given a choice between a good song and an average producer and a bad song with a great producer, it isn't a choice.