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Climate Policy: Free Trade Promotes a Cleaner Environment
The Heritage Foundation ^ | April 24, 2009 | Daniella Markheim

Posted on 06/29/2009 5:23:41 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: investigateworld

Again, what is Ms. Markheim’s (and by extension Heritage’s) position on Cap & Trade? You seem pretty sure . . . I’d like you to spell it out.


61 posted on 06/29/2009 5:39:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: mnehring

I’m guessing that maybe 33% of the people on this thread bothered to read the article. And I’m being optimistic.


62 posted on 06/29/2009 5:41:40 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: 1rudeboy
I think you could post an article that said FREE bacon samples today at TRADEr Joes and you would get the same reaction.
63 posted on 06/29/2009 5:46:49 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: 1rudeboy
It appears she recognizes the costs of this insane legislation, and hopes our 'moral position' will persuade others to cut their emissions.

But in no event should we restrict imports from nations which laugh at us - tell us to pound sand -

And she reveals herself to be a big time statist with her comments which I cut and pasted.

I suspect she is smart enough to realize the .gov will be making decisions as to who will live or die, just like in socialized medicine, but is too lazy to find a honest job, thus will continue to pump out garbage like this.

I've summarized of course, but the bottom line is she's a toady for the powers that be.

64 posted on 06/29/2009 5:49:29 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: mnehring
And what's truly sad is that it's a good article. It doesn't discuss whether protectionism is bad (although to be fair other Heritage papers do), it discusses that if Cap & Trade results in protectionism, it will be bad.

I think that's too nuanced for the regulars.

65 posted on 06/29/2009 5:52:21 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: investigateworld

Just as I suspected, you have no idea. Tell me, why do paleos fear the Heritage Foundation? Is it because Heritage advocates lower taxes? Or less regulation?


66 posted on 06/29/2009 5:56:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: investigateworld
And she reveals herself to be a big time statist with her comments which I cut and pasted.

I really shouldn't let the above pass without comment. You have a comprehension problem. She is speaking about the "advocates of climate change legislation," not herself, in the portion you selected.

67 posted on 06/29/2009 6:02:50 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: 1rudeboy
Is it because Heritage advocates lower taxes? Or less regulation?

If that were their position in reality, they'd recognize that unemployed people will look for a Messiah who will promise Unicorns Farting skittles and dancing over rainbows. Instead, the voters have turned to someone who promises higher taxes (only on the rich or course) and even more job killing regulations.

They are not stupid people, they crank out this garbage, know the consequences of the actions; like Zero and his gang, but it's easy money and they've drank the Kool-Aid.

The comments that I cut and pasted show where their heart is: More .gov intervention in the free market.

And you're throwing labels?

I suspect you are trying to bait me into a suspension.

Ain't a gonna work.

Remember, I used to interview child molesters and cold blooded killers.... Never once did a court throw out my evidence.

So a mere Kool Aid drinker like you=Ain't gonna happen ;^)

68 posted on 06/29/2009 6:07:40 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: 1rudeboy; investigateworld

investigateworld,
She uses a literary device of rationalizing your opponents arguments to the logical conclusion, a conclusion your opponent won’t admit to. She is making the arguments the proponents of Cap and Trade make, then filling in the blanks of what happens..

Rush often does this with humor (illustrating the absurdity by being absurd).. Daniella is much more intellectual and nuanced in her approach, she isn’t trying to be funny, it is more like she is finishing the equation for the cap and trade proponents.


69 posted on 06/29/2009 6:10:36 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: investigateworld

Bait you into a suspension? Don’t make me laugh. People need to see how mentally-retarded paleos are regarding economic matters. Take your last comment, for example . . . you correctly observe that politicians pander to voters, and your implied solution to the problem is to have politicians pander to voters. Just in the manner you prefer, of course.


70 posted on 06/29/2009 6:11:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: investigateworld
Is it because Heritage advocates lower taxes? Or less regulation?

If that were their position in reality, they'd recognize that unemployed people will look for a Messiah

Lower taxes and less regulation causes unemployment?

The comments that I cut and pasted show where their heart is: More .gov intervention in the free market.

No, her comments show that government intervention will be followed by more government intervention.

71 posted on 06/29/2009 6:14:55 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
For developing countries--which would likely be hardest hit by trade restrictions in climate legislation--the economic stress will be particularly great. This, perversely, will likely increase the harm done to the environment: Economic growth increases the ability for developing countries to afford protecting the environment

This comment shows she has drank the Kool-Aid of global warming-we're all gonna die.

Her writing shows that she's trying to make the best of a bad situation: Keeping her lousy job when the evidence shows the falsehood of her writing (I'm referring to the election of Obamam et. al.)

And her 'moral persuasion' argument?

She's forgetting that she's talking about people who run tanks over their own citizens. And a government which has a history of attack US interests/allies (so you won't forget about the Korean War - Again.

And please forgive that last sentence-it is very unlike me to point out people's ignorance of history.

72 posted on 06/29/2009 6:31:35 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; expat_panama
Look what the cat drug in:

Waxman-Markey Is Our Smoot-Hawley [Free Republic]

73 posted on 06/29/2009 6:36:07 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: investigateworld
This comment shows she has drank the Kool-Aid of global warming-we're all gonna die.

No, it does not. She is making the simple economic observation that wealthy, industrialized nations do a better job of protecting the environment than poor, developing nations.

74 posted on 06/29/2009 6:38:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: 1rudeboy
She sorta does, but won't recognize we're dealing with nasty SOBs who don't give a rat's tail about anything but money/power. This kind of stupidity is willful

If I were still in the cops and robbers biz, I'd do a search on their funding. Prolly leads right back to the Peoples Republic of China.

75 posted on 06/29/2009 6:42:14 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: investigateworld
Economic growth increases the ability for developing countries to afford protecting the environment

This comment shows she has drank the Kool-Aid of global warming-we're all gonna die.

Is that why the Great Lakes and our rivers and streams are cleaner than they've been in the last 100 years? Because of global warming?

Her writing shows that she's trying to make the best of a bad situation

She thinks the damage this bill will do to our companies will cause the government to attempt to help the companies by restricting the foreign competition.

Do you think a tariff or import quota will fix the damage this stupid bill will cause?

76 posted on 06/29/2009 6:42:53 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I predict that, by the end of the year, our protectionist friends will have forgotten Waxman-Markey and will be back to complaining that traitorous U.S. companies are leaving the country (or offshoring). They won’t even try to make the connection . . . it’s not like they ever have in the past.


77 posted on 06/29/2009 6:49:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaMgb0JMTeo)
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To: 1rudeboy

I never understood them on that point, on one hand they throw a fit about all the government regulation and taxes destroying business, but then, when a business moves somewhere that has less regulation and taxes, they throw a fit.. what do they expect, the business to bend over and .... well, you know..


78 posted on 06/29/2009 6:52:46 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: 1rudeboy
Willie thinks the Japanese are to blame for the state of the Big 3. If only we had tariffs on the imports, that would fix the damage the CAFE standards did to them.

Just one more rule or regulation will fix the problems caused by all the previous interference.

79 posted on 06/29/2009 6:57:54 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; ex-Texan
It will help. But keep in mind it's been reported that the average Chinese worker saves 25% of their income. (I don't know this to be a fact tho)

Thus, we'll have to really reduce our standard of living to be competitive, which has been the goal of the globalists all along.

It's been the US consumer who was the engine pulling the world economy all this time.

We're now broke.

While you've never been a housing tout, you did cite the increasing levels of homeownership as proof 'free trade works'.

I tried to warn everyone this economy was total b/s - unsustainable. So did ex-Texan, who you called a blog pimp -

Remember?

So as we see Zero and the Democrats roll up the economy, take a bow, you've earned it.

80 posted on 06/29/2009 7:02:14 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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