Posted on 06/29/2009 4:28:40 AM PDT by cbkaty
That’s OK. It could be mutual.
David Allen Coe.....
Maybe you should think things through.
(OK...)
What about debt?
(What Debt? You mean that share/precentage Texas owns...Who says we own that??? Where did Texas generate or spend beyond its means???)
Based on population percentage Texas’ share of the federal debt is about $900 billion. That’s a sizeable nut to take on right off the bat.
(Why??? Cause you say so???)
You need to establish and fund your own military,
(Ok, I do not see a problem there because we already have one...)
your own diplomatic corps,
(That’s easy...Ask for volunteers)
your own regulatory agencies - I’m assuming you’ll still want your food inspected?
(sure, most states were doing that to some degree and standard before Uncle Sucky came along and federalized it...)
Some of your state agencies can like the judiciary and education can be expanded to take on a national role without too much additional expense,
(Why do you think that??? And why would they need to expand??? To make up some kind of vacumn created when we do not have the Federal government getting in the way???)
but roughly a third of Texas is on some sort of government support - Social Security, Disability, Food Stamps, Unemployment, etc. - and what do you do about them?
(we seem to be doing fine taking care of our own, and then some, remember the Katrina folks???...Our unemployment rolls are growing but we are not backrupting, like a few other states, the money going out to that increasing population...Same thing with the other welfare and support agencies)
Air traffic control? Nice to have.
(Sure, you bet...)
Setting up a country isn’t easy or cheap, and there’s more to it than thumbing your nose at those you’re leaving.
(Fair enough...)
Seems to me that there are too many people dependent upon a Federal government doing things for them, instead of them doing for themselves...
The only thumbing noses around here are people thinking that if Texas or any other state decides to dissolve its political bonds and other obligations (mainly taxes) to the “central government” that the other states that are yet to consider doing the same thing will somehow suffer...
Well you are absolutely right about that...Texas happens to be on the negative side of Federal assistance anyway...Meaning we send out more tax dollars to the Federal government than we get back...Its not even an even give and take...
Texas is not alone in that regard either...So if we split...The rest of the United States will just need to figure out how to do without our charity for a while...
And since our tax dollars are not going to D.C. to be re-distributed...That same money, maybe even a little less generated revenue can still take care of all those things you mentioned above...
Commerce, trade and imports will still be conducted just like before...Just the money exchanged will be a little different...
The only thing I have a concern about is the probability that some in the United States may have a problem with us doing this...Tough noogies...If you guys want to fight...Everyone loses in that event...But Texas will prevail...
I want to see if any other state can muster 300,000 riflemen in an hour...
By all means, the capability of a rifleman on his home turf is much more capable than tanks, planes and other interesting hardware...Because we have that stuff too...And we make it here...
I would actually prefer not to secede from the Union...But some people just want to push it too far...
I think we can all reverse what has happened over the last few months...You just have to have tha courage to do it in a more civilized manner...We can start sending that message here in the local elections comng up this next November...
And in 2010 do it again...
I mean by all means everyone can sit there and get mad at Texas and a few other states making noise like this...If you want to waste your time because you live in a state that is so sucked up into depending on Washington D.C., then thats your problem...
Be mad at me if you want...I would love for y’all to prove me wrong and send a few dunderheads home from their cushy elected jobs in D.C. and put some principled people in there for a change...Might do us ALL some good...
There is always an answer to everything you said up there...A solution is only a ballot away every two years...
HE'S A DRIFTER AND A DRILLER OF OIL WELLS
AND AN OLD SCHOOL MAN OF THE WORLD
TAUGHT ME HOW TO DRIVE HIS CAR WHEN HE'S TOO DRUNK TO
AND HE'D WINK AND GIVE ME MONEY FOR THE GIRLS
AND OUR LIVES WAS LIKE SOME OLD WESTERN MOVIE
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
FROM THE TIME THAT I COULD WALK HE'D TAKE ME WITH HIM
TO A PLACE CALLED THE GREEN FROG CAFE
AND THERE WAS OLD MEN WITH BEER GUTS AND DOMINOES
LYING' ABOUT THEIR LIVES WHILE THEY PLAYED
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
AND I LOOKED UP AND HE WAS PUSHING EIGHTY
AND THERE WAS BROWN TOBACCO STAINS ALL DOWN HIS CHIN
TO ME HE'S ONE OF THE HEROES OF THIS COUNTRY
SEE WHY'S HE ALL DRESSED UP LIKE SOME OLD MAN
DRINKING' BEER AND PLAYING' MOON AN FORTY-TWO
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
THE DAY BEFORE HE DIES I WENT TO SEE HIM
I WAS GROWN AND HE WAS ALMOST GONE
WE JUST CLOSED OUR EYES AND DREAMT US UP A KITCHEN
AND SANG ANOTHER VERSE TO THAT OLD SONG
"DON'T CRY, JACK, IT'S ONLY JESUS COMING"
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
LIKE DESPERADOS WAITING FOR THE TRAIN
You raise some good points. Maybe I was assuming that Texas (and/or other states) would not actually “pull out” until something of the sort of “Martial Law” was imminent. In my view, that would be the only way to get enough impetus to move forward.
As you said, if there’s chaos in America’s streets, the Feds will have their hands (too) full with all the other stuff they have to tend to. It’ll certainly be a free-for-all, but less so in states that are asserting their sovereignty (such as TN & others).
IMO, it goes down sooner rather than later.
Dang caps lock key.
Ahh...I see. My first comment was to a poster taking heart that Vermont had a secessionist movement. Well it does but they want to be more socialist. The Vermonters are not Patriots. The Texans are. I am with the Texans. words cannot express the contempt I have for Vermont libtards. There I think that clears this up.
Sounds good to me.
US Constitution, Article IV, Section 3:
New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.
Texans received the same benefits from Federal spending as any other State in the Union. You can't expect to be able to simply walk away from your share of the debt you were partially responsible for racking up.
I thought cowboys paid their debts, not walked away from them.
Third -- New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution; and such states as may be formed out of the territory lying south of thirty-six degrees thirty minutes north latitude, commonly known as the Missouri Compromise Line, shall be admitted into the Union, with or without slavery, as the people of each State, asking admission shall desire; and in such State or States as shall be formed out of said territory, north of said Missouri Compromise Line, slavery, or involuntary servitude (except for crime) shall be prohibited.
Thus it is an open issue.
I did not say I agree with the Vermont secession movement goals...I simply listed it as another effort...
Hell...Vermont is north of Dallas and I make it a rule to never travel that far north..(Dallas)....but I respect the Vermont march to freedom....
It's that 'CONSENT" thing that aggravates Texans.....We don't ask for nor want "consent".....
They do.....and when the deck is stacked against them...they take care of business in the only way they understand....directly.
All that this joint declaration did was state that Congress could divide up Texas down the road as part of a blanacing of slave and free States. I can’t see where this provision gives any power to Texas to make the determination on its own, without the consent of Congress.
Texas willingly joined the Union, so it is bound by the terms of the Constitution, just like anyone else. If Texans didn't like this provision, they should have remained an independent Republic. Texas has no more power to unilaterally split into several States than does California or Alaska.
How is the deck stacked against you? Three Presidents in the last 40 years have been from Texas. You are represented in Congress, like anyone else. If Texans were to secede, I'd wish them luck. But they don't get to walk away from the joint debt we've all foolishly racked up.
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