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Concealed carry five years later: Why it works (OHIO)
limaohio.com ^ | 6/27/2009 | Greg Sowinski

Posted on 06/28/2009 5:58:02 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

LIMA - When two men knocked on Charesa Smith's door at 5 a.m. wanting to use her phone last winter, she feared the worst.

She knew about a rash of home invasion robberies happening around the county.

Smith and her husband never let them inside, where they have three young children. They called the Sheriff's Office, and the men left.

"It broke the safe barrier I had around myself and my house. I felt as if I was violated. They never did anything, but it felt like it could have gotten nasty," she said.

That incident was enough to spur Smith and her husband to obtain their concealed carry licenses. She now feels safer, she says, especially since she spends a lot of time out alone with her children, who range in age from 10 months to 7 years old, running to the store and appointments.

Best citizens

Farmer said he sees people in class from all walks of life, from doctors and lawyers to factory workers, teachers and preachers.

Farmer, a former police chief who is also a police firearms trainer, said people with concealed carry licenses are among the most law-abiding. He said he rarely came across people with their concealed carry licenses during traffic stops, saying it's because they follow the law to begin with.

Allen County Sheriff Crish said people with their concealed carry licenses typically are the most law-abiding citizens. Otherwise, they would not have been issued a license.

"We're not worried about those individuals," he said.

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Allen County Sheriff Crish said people with their concealed carry licenses typically are the most law-abiding citizens. Otherwise, they would not have been issued a license.

"We're not worried about those individuals," he said.

1 posted on 06/28/2009 5:58:02 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

AMEN and thanks for the post.


2 posted on 06/28/2009 5:59:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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To: bmwcyle
"We're not worried about those individuals," he said.

But Obama and Holder are!
3 posted on 06/28/2009 6:01:05 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The eight Republicans that voted for Cap and Trade aren’t or they just think Barry will take our guns.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 6:11:52 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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To: bmwcyle

The GOP needs to be purged of people like those 8.

(even Kucinich voted against cap and trade!)


5 posted on 06/28/2009 6:15:15 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What? You mean it did not turn into the wild west? (/sarc) Oh, those loony liberals with their scare tactics.

I lived in Florida when the Castle Doctrine was about to be approved and that is all one read about it from the loony left. The loons surmised that all of Florida would become one big OK Corral.

JoMa


6 posted on 06/28/2009 6:27:26 AM PDT by joma89
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To: Red in Blue PA
The Ohio State Highway Patrol also remains opposed to concealed carry. After realizing early on it was just a matter of time before it was law, troopers found a way to accept it by offering measures aimed at officer safety, such as the license-holder's requirement to notify a police officer he is a concealed carrier during a traffic stop, said Lt. Shawn Davis, a spokesman for the state patrol.

Davis said the patrol occasionally comes across concealed carry license-holders who forget to notify the trooper or who are intoxicated.

“Those scenarios are alarming to us,” he said.”

Anytime a police officer is dealing with someone that is intoxicated, they are dealing with someone that “could” be a threat. I think it's disingenuous on their part to state that concealed carry permit holders are in any way “more dangerous” because they are less likely to be in that situation. As to forgetting to mention they are permit holders, that shouldn't even be a requirement.
The majority of the tiny fraction of a percent of concealed carry permit holders that have run afoul of the law have been misdemeanor violations of how they carry or transport their weapon in a vehicle. Some of the restrictions are impractical and unnecessary.
Finally, the anti’s finding one example of a permit holder shooting a cop during a traffic stop are probably ignoring some facts contributing to that tragedy. I'm not aware of the incident, but I know there were several police officers around the country last year that allegedly committed homicide. Perhaps we're doing a better job with concealed carry training and screening than we are civil servants?

7 posted on 06/28/2009 6:38:32 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: Red in Blue PA
But Obama and Holder are!

Fearing the law abiding...

Says bunches about those two doesn't it.

8 posted on 06/28/2009 6:44:48 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; BlindedByTruth; ...

Ohio Pings!

To be added to the Ohio Ping List, please freepmail (works best)
both TonyRo76 and LasVegasDave.

9 posted on 06/28/2009 6:48:28 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger

And Ohio State patrol cops use that “CC license holders must notify us during a traffic stop” to search the vehicle, looking for a violation—any violation—of any law in order to confiscate the weapon. Not wearing your seatbelt? Your gun will be confiscated.


10 posted on 06/28/2009 7:15:05 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Oldpuppymax
At least in Texas, the fact that at least one of the person's whom the car is registered to has a CHL comes up when they run your plates. If they don't find out then, and you don't tell them (in Texas you only need to tell them if you are carrying, otherwise you're just another citizen), then it definitely will come up when they run your license because your DL number is on the CHL, and the databases are linked.

AFAIK, the Texas DPS does not do anything like that. Other than in a few big cities, most of the local police and sheriff's deputies treat it as a pretty routine thing. They do ask where you have the weapon concealed.

Of course in Texas *any* motorist stopped could legally have a concealed handgun in the vehicle, since there is a "traveling" exemption to the general prohibition on concealed carry. I'm not aware of any increase in shooting of officers since the law was changed to define traveling" as being in a vehicle, going somewhere. The exemption was already in the law, but the local DA's, the courts and the police had evolved some restrictive requirements, such crossing at least two county lines and even an overnight stay. Worse the requirements were not uniform and were constantly changing.

12 posted on 06/28/2009 8:02:54 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I still can’t believe Kucinich voted against it. But a whole series of DUmmies did cause it didn’t go far enough in their eyes.

Meanwhile, in the welfare capital of America, people who don’t work are walking into my store crying cause the sun isn’t out and it’s going to rain as they continue to sit on their asses and be unproductive. But since tomorrow’s Monday, they’re excited cause the mailman will be delivering more of our money to them.

What a country......


13 posted on 06/28/2009 8:04:12 AM PDT by cleveland gop (CLEVELAND, HOME OF LeSHAQ)
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To: SpineSurgeon
Don’t know anything about them but am looking at a S&W .357 snubnosed because it looks like a good gun for a newbie.

Try to find a local range with one for rent. Try before buy is a Good Idea.

Although I confess I had not fired one like my principal carry weapon before buying it. Not many ranges rent EAA Witness polymer compacts, nor even the CZ-75 it is based on.

14 posted on 06/28/2009 8:06:50 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Thanks for the ping.

Wow, I just sat down at the computer and for some reason was thinking about attorney Tim Smith. Checked FR and saw this at the top of my ping list.

Tim Smith was the lawyer in Cincinnati that was instrumental in getting concealed carry passed in Ohio.

15 posted on 06/28/2009 8:07:37 AM PDT by muggs (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a stupid question)
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To: El Gato

read later


16 posted on 06/28/2009 8:09:29 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: SpineSurgeon
I have a S&W 640, it is an arm twister, using .357 loads.
17 posted on 06/28/2009 8:15:44 AM PDT by Little Bill (NH the Sixth Gay State.)
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To: bitterohiogunclinger
Re: The Ohio State Highway Patrol also remains opposed to concealed carry.

Two words as to why: Job security.
18 posted on 06/28/2009 8:26:54 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: SpineSurgeon
Try a bunch out and see which is best for you. You will get a lot of opinions from people, but you should disregard most of them, because they will be giving you opinions based upon what works for THEM.

Buy what works for you.
19 posted on 06/28/2009 8:29:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Oldpuppymax

The only time a licensed CCW holder has to notify is IF they are carrying. If they are NOT carrying, they don’t have to say anything per Ohio code 2923.12 Carrying concealed weapons.


20 posted on 06/28/2009 8:37:03 AM PDT by 87FXRC
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