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1 posted on 06/28/2009 12:41:59 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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To: bamahead; sickoflibs; calcowgirl; Bokababe; DoughtyOne

Interesting read. Scary, but...interesting.


2 posted on 06/28/2009 12:43:54 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385
I have trouble understanding how anyone who cannot keep the most fundamental of vows to one person can credibly swear they will keep a more complex vow to uphold (protect and defend) the US Constitution.
3 posted on 06/28/2009 12:49:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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If these things didn’t matter, why would hypocrisy matter either? It would be like hypocrisy in your taste for pie, arguing for chocolate while secretly preferring vanilla custard. The whole liberal laugh and point “argument” collapses upon itself.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 1:22:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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Oh, and any government this side of glory is going to be composed of, by very definition, sinners. If we specially despise Sanford, can it partly be because he is a mirror of us, in our thoughts if not our acts? The biblical story of Solomon is an extreme cautionary tale. He asked God for great wisdom to govern the people, but apparently forgot to ask God for wisdom to govern himself. The result, the smartest Old Testament government that Israel ever had, but also a consummate womanizer who even stooped to pagan idol sacrifices to please his paramours.


6 posted on 06/28/2009 1:32:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I still like Sanford. The Dems have their rascals and we have ours. Sanford is 100x better than a Democrat governor


7 posted on 06/28/2009 1:37:33 AM PDT by dennisw ("stealth tribal warfare" is what the Sotomayor nomination is about)
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To: rabscuttle385; P-Marlowe
At its core, conservatism is not simply a set of beliefs; it is a way of life - one that is anchored in the natural moral order centered on faith, family and freedom. This is the conservative holy trinity. And it is now being defamed by its own high priests.

His final lines wrap it up. It's a good article.

I would not call our politicians our "high priests", but I get his point. Our leaders are betraying us by their behavior.

Conservatives do advocate faith, family, independence, morality, etc. Yet, as Christians, we know that human nature is inherently sinful. We know these men will fall. Without abusing grace, the hope of Christianity is that even sin in Christians can be forgiven. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

As Christians the danger is twofold: one can promote the legal and to forget the reality of sinful flesh, or one can wax long on God's mercy to sinners and forget God's standards. On the one hand, we'll end up with a hypocritical, legalistic position. On the other hand, we'll end up with a hypocritical, licentious position. One loses in either case.

Christians recognize that the Holy Spirit empowers perseverence. They recognize that the point is not to take advantage of God's grace, but to hope in it as they set about in God's power to pursue the high calling of God, not as if they were already perfect, but humbly and with admission of God's help and forgiveness.

That is possible in the Church, but it is not possible with the political world. Leaders in the political world in an age of mass media must admit that their public image is a real thing that will either help them or hurt them. When they enter that arena, they are to be -- at least during the time of their tenure -- above reproach. That is what they agree to when they seek higher office.

Given human nature, it is best for any aspirant to be brutally honest about his/her past and strength for the future. If there is weakness, then they should not seek a first term in office or ensuing terms if human nature begins to rear its ugly head in the midst of someone's term.

Sanford can certainly be forgiven, but his political career is over. Had he been honest and wise, he would have stepped aside before his most recent campaign for office. He knew then that his human nature had begun causing difficulty.

In the long run it's probably best that we have conservative leaders who are not lifetime politicians, and who serve only for a period of time. I don't think the Founders envisioned the nation run by a class of professional politicians.

13 posted on 06/28/2009 3:14:45 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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This guy completely nailed it. What a well written article.


14 posted on 06/28/2009 3:30:02 AM PDT by mek1959
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I don’t always think that cheating on a spouse necessarily ends a political career. It is a personal failing that in many, many cases is forgiven by the one who was cheated on. In this case, however, the behavior was just plain bizarre. He went out of his way to embarrass himself and his wife.


16 posted on 06/28/2009 3:39:56 AM PDT by pnut22
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Corrupt conservatives; Sanctimonious hypocrites on the right dishonor faith, family and freedom

The difference is that with the republican people at least, they accept the fact that allhuman are sinners and we get rid of the hypocrites and move on. While on the ohter side,the democrats seem to promote w=fromwithin based on the largest number of sins committed.


18 posted on 06/28/2009 4:02:01 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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Wouldn’t it be kind of interesting if we were to find out Sanford’s mistress was paid to seduce him?


19 posted on 06/28/2009 4:11:04 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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George Washington should remain the standard for our presidency. Competence and moral judgment are not mutually exclusive.
Democrats seek power over moral character. Look at their politicians and see where that leads.


21 posted on 06/28/2009 4:21:17 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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Without a doubt our downfall is not an exclusive result or condition of the Democrats. Communism perhaps but not of just the Democrats. If we have any hope or chance of coming out of this we must get rid of the R/D dynamic, the MSM dictating and Marxism them permeates almost all aspects of our society. Our churches included.


22 posted on 06/28/2009 4:27:32 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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Is the conservative movement rotten to its core?

Why would one think other wise? And may-be this is one of the reasons the pubis can’t fight the demis because of their on guilt ????


27 posted on 06/28/2009 4:51:14 AM PDT by buck61
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Great. A right-leaning newspaper savaging a leading conservative. Gee, when’s the last time the leftist media savaged a Democrat? And some of us continue to wonder why a nation that’s 40% conservative is being savaged by a 20% minority of leftist freaks.

What did Reagan say about publicly criticizing one of our own?


32 posted on 06/28/2009 5:08:16 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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Note to Jeffrey T. Kuhner - not everyone on the (R) side is a "Bible thumper" as the SRM believes. Where have these headlines been the past few years?

Corrupt Liberals: John Edwards (d) has "love child"
Charlie Rangel (d) caught in fraud scheme
William Jefferson (d) caught with cash in freezer
Millons of campaign donations for Hussein (d) possibly came from China

I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on, but have other things to do today.

42 posted on 06/28/2009 5:48:53 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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Can’t get enough of the Sanford crap fest....jeez, FR/TMZ, where are the 24 & 7 sleaz stories about the friggn’ Rat slimes?


44 posted on 06/28/2009 5:55:44 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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Mark Sanford is done, as it should be, he will answer to his constituents. That is the stark difference between a conservative voter and a liberal voter, as they will not knowingly continue to re-elect liars, thieves, cheaters, and murderers. Democrat voters make excuses for, overlook and admire their lowlifes. Barney Frank and Teddy Kennedy are long term prime examples.


45 posted on 06/28/2009 6:01:58 AM PDT by Toespi
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Just because we know what’s right doesn’t mean that we always do what’s right. That’s called sin.

Just because we sin doesn’t mean that we’re relieved of our obligation to defend what is right. Rather, our continued obligations to defend what is right should help bring us to repentance.

Mr. Sanford did what was wrong, and he knew it. His sins didn’t relieve him of his obligation to distinguish between right and wrong, and to defend the right. Rather, his continued responsibilities should weigh on him to impel him to seek forgiveness and firm purpose of amendment in his life.


48 posted on 06/28/2009 6:21:40 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
--John Adams

52 posted on 06/28/2009 8:32:26 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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