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The Real Climate Cost Shift (barf alert)
National Journal ^ | June 27, 2009 | Ronald Brownstein

Posted on 06/27/2009 5:27:41 PM PDT by reaganaut1

One of the principal allegations against the climate-change legislation the House could consider as soon as June 26 is the charge that it would compel a transfer of wealth from Midwestern states that burn large quantities of coal to coastal states that don't.

But it is more accurate to say that the bill reduces a regional disparity that allows Midwestern and other coal-dependent states to enjoy artificially low electricity prices at the expense of states elsewhere, particularly along the coasts. Rather than create a new regional inequality, the global-warming bill would lessen an existing one.

The perverse pattern of today's energy policy is that the states that contribute the most to global warming generally pay the lowest prices for electricity. That's because almost all the states with cheap electricity rely largely on coal. And coal generates much greater quantities of the carbon emissions linked to global warming than other fuels. That means one large reason the coal states enjoy such dirt-cheap electricity is that they don't bear any cost for their contributions to climate change.

This pattern screams through federal Energy Information Administration data, which track energy use in all 50 states plus the District of Columbia. Thirty states generate at least 40 percent of their electricity from coal; 23 of them rank among the 26 states with the lowest power prices. By contrast, of the 20 states (plus D.C.) that generate less than 40 percent of their power from coal, 18 rank among the most expensive in electricity costs. (The only exceptions are Idaho, Oregon, and Washington state, which benefit from inexpensive hydro power.)

Factoring in carbon-emission data collected by Purdue University's Vulcan Project completes the picture. Of the 26 states with the lowest electricity prices, 19 rank among the top half in per capita carbon emissions.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brownstein; capandtax; capandtrade; energytax; waxmanmarkey
Brownstein's argument is pernicious -- if some have higher electricity rates, partly because of their environmental policies, the states with lower electricity rates should be burdened.

Still, the article should be publicized, because if other cap-and-tax advocates were similarly honest, it would become political poison except on the coasts.

1 posted on 06/27/2009 5:27:42 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: steelyourfaith; xcamel

global warming ping


2 posted on 06/27/2009 5:28:10 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1; Little Bill; IrishCatholic; Normandy; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; ...
Thanx !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 06/27/2009 5:33:15 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: reaganaut1

How about those Northeastern States start paying us in the midwest for the millions of tons of garbage they’ve sent our way for decades, that now dot our landscape in the form of unnnatural looking mountains that emit noxious fumes and seep poisonous leachate into our waterways?

I’ve watched hundreds of New York and New Jersey trucks pulling into local landfills right here in Corn Country, USA. They built one Hazardous Waste Landfill within a mile of a major river. 95% of the toxic waste hauled in was from out-of-state. Mainly Chicago and the Northeast.


4 posted on 06/27/2009 5:39:50 PM PDT by digger48
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To: reaganaut1
"For some it was a very difficult vote because the entrenched agents of the status quo were out there full force, jamming the lines in their districts and here, and they withstood that," Pelosi said. (Different article)

So the rats knew this wasn't popular and they did it anyway. I hope it bites them big time.

5 posted on 06/27/2009 5:42:00 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: reaganaut1
artificially low electricity prices at the expense of states elsewhere, particularly along the coasts.

So let's spread the misery evenly. A familiar mantra of the left.

6 posted on 06/27/2009 5:47:17 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: DannyTN

” the entrenched agents of the status quo were out there full force”

That would be me. We’re going to shove this bill down Nancy’s throat.


7 posted on 06/27/2009 5:48:19 PM PDT by y6162 (uish..)
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To: reaganaut1

Hey, Ron: The rates are only “artifically low”, because those states have the common sense to use an abundant and cheap resource. What you are your ilk really want is to make energy costs artifically high to solve a problem that doesn’t exist. [Ya bozo. ]


8 posted on 06/27/2009 5:51:16 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: reaganaut1

The author is obviously “hook, line and sinker” into the belief that CO2 causes “global warming”, or “climate change” as they now have to call it.

Rejecting the author’s premise negates the need to read any further.


9 posted on 06/27/2009 5:52:52 PM PDT by FMBass ("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
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To: rbg81

Every time I drive to the Cincinnati airport, I go past a nearly 30-year old coal-fired power plant that was originally intended to be nuclear. The same cap and trade bozos who want me to pay more for electricity opposed the nuke and would oppose it now.

At some point these people have to be treated with the contempt they deserve.


10 posted on 06/27/2009 5:57:13 PM PDT by organicchemist
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To: reaganaut1

Who grows your food, Ronnie?


11 posted on 06/27/2009 5:59:16 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: reaganaut1

Why this is One Kingdom under heaven knows what. So why should Oklahoma be any more privileged than Maine? It’s unfair!


12 posted on 06/27/2009 6:10:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: digger48

That would be at least as fair, but landfills are no longer the issue du jour now that wobal glarming is hanging over our collective heads.


13 posted on 06/27/2009 6:12:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (In only 19 weeks, 0 has enabled us to agree with the Taliban [his empty speechifying] - Iron Munro)
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To: rbg81
The rates on the Coasts in the large population centers are higher than the Midwest due to "distribution costs", not the differential between imported hydropower from Quebec and the cost of coal.

Montgomery County MD, one of the most kneejerk Leftwingtard spots in America actually opposed the plan of the local power company to provide redundancy in the network serving over 1,000,000 hardcore Leftists.

Next thing you know they had a major windstorm/tornado/etc that knocked down thousands of trees, and with them, power lines. Took months to repair all the damage and several thousand of the Leftists were reduced to Medieval traditions for months.

The company once again proposed their network redundancy plan and again the Leftwingtards opposed it.

When that distribution network has problems the repairs cost many times more than building redundancy would have cost.

Brownstein and National Journal can be reached at their headquarters in The Watergate 600 New Hampshire Ave., NW Washington, DC 20037. They use the Maryland power company ~ with the high rates ~ although the DC rates are not quite as high since Congress pretty much let them build redundancy into the DC network.

When this putz refers to the Midwest he means VIRGINIA, BTW, and he'd just love to live here and suck off our lower power rates but WE WON'T LET HIM ~ we already have enough of his kind!

14 posted on 06/27/2009 6:12:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Huskrrrr

Come one, come all to California. We only build natural gas plants so everything is clean. My business and my home both pay roughly 32c per KWh marginal rate. It is a great place to live!


15 posted on 06/27/2009 6:14:41 PM PDT by Dennis M.
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To: reaganaut1
coastal states

Rats live where there is water because water is a proven escape route. They don't intend to go down with the ship.

16 posted on 06/27/2009 6:34:23 PM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: reaganaut1

Well lets see. Since the average income in this area is $22,000 a year there is a reason our elecvtric rates should be low. I fully expect to start seeing working families freeze to death over this in the winters. They make too much for reduced rates like welfares gets but not enough to heat and feed their families. That extra nearly $700 a year in this states means a lot of their incomes will be spent on the government tax and not on food and certainly not on heat.


17 posted on 06/27/2009 6:47:38 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Dennis M.
My business and my home both pay roughly 32c per KWh marginal rate. It is a great place to live!

$.1015/kwh here, thanks to good old pollutin' coal, thank you very much.

18 posted on 06/27/2009 7:03:26 PM PDT by digger48
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To: reaganaut1

Is is also an inflation bill!

Taking people away from more productive pursuits to pursue less productive pursuit (windmills and other folly). While...we are adding ever more money to the system. Ever more and more money will be chasing ever less abundant goods and services => the recipe for hyper inflation. The ovens on pre-heat as we type.


19 posted on 06/27/2009 7:25:48 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: reaganaut1

How does this idiocy continue? Is it or is it not empirically provable that there is no evidence at all of any global warming trend since 1998, and therefore... NO GLOBAL WARMING, much less man-caused climate change of any kind? The argument is specious at best, and absurdly and aggravatingly unnecessary at worst. It is insane to think of the suicidal economic burden we are being asked to shoulder, when the real agenda is naked and unconstitutional accumulation of power over all our lives. Build the gallows high, boys... so these “leaders” or ours can see as they dangle the devastation far and wide they have wrought.


20 posted on 06/28/2009 12:11:25 AM PDT by Richard Axtell (Let us all relive the Thirties; the Depression, the "New Deal", and the "Cult of Personality.".)
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