Posted on 06/25/2009 1:07:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Thx. Will check it out.
God have mercy.
If he preaches anything but Salvation in Jesus alone . . . rain on him.
Huh?
No huh about it.
...and...?
Look. I'D get listed as one of the speakers if I could pull it off. I've got several ideas and and principles that these people need to take into serious consideration.
So, really I don't care that Warren's speaking to this group, and it might be nice if the author of this article could have waited and written it AFTER Warren had left the podium. Had that been done, we could be discussing what Rick Warren actually SAID, not what the author is conjecturing that he might, possibly say.
I personally think Pastor Warren cares a whole lot too much about what the rest of the world thinks, and not enough about what Jesus Christ thinks. I think Warren's theology is weak, his stances are compromising, and his "flavor" of christianity is nauseatingly insipid.
Still, for all that, I AM going to wait until I've actual transcripts of Rick Warren's talk in front of me before I go shooting off my mouth about what a budding jihadist he is. The author of this article seems too vested in the "OMG!!" factor of wild-eyed speculation to be able to wait for hard evidence. Too bad; it's a real killer.
If there wasn't a "huh" I wouldn't have said it.
So to clarify my question, you believe that Christians as a whole will be deceived by the anti-Christ, or are you talking about those who claim to be Christians but really aren't?
If the former, I'm curious as to what faith you subscribe to. I only ask because I thought only those faiths that consider themselves to be Christians believe in the anti-Christ.
I refer you to post 63: I think Warren’s theology is weak, his stances are compromising, and his “flavor” of christianity is nauseatingly insipid.
My sentiments of Warren and his “purpose driven” theology are derived from my reading of one of his books. I read enough to know where he is coming from. Not only so, but the sentiments of conservative Christians everywhere confirmed my original impressions - they are obvious on this thread.
Now, if that isn’t a good enough answer for you, I’m sorry.
As I have said, all Warren has to do to change my opinion would be for him to give a good witness of the gospel at this assembly of Muslims. We’ll see.
Correction.
I refer you to post 64: I think Warren’s theology is weak, his stances are compromising, and his “flavor” of christianity is nauseatingly insipid.
Post 64 not 63.
He is not a christian leader to me, I have never thought of him as such. He is in it for the money and fame as far as I am concerned, and he brings scandal to Christianity.
I’m more concerned by his inviting the Muslims to speak at his home church...
Regarding “As I have said, all Warren has to do to change my opinion would be for him to give a good witness of the gospel at this assembly of Muslims. We’ll see.”
I know I put you through the ringer a bit, but, I was really curious to see what you meant by Rick Warren and the “Christ-Lam” thing. I had never heard of that term, nor had I read anywhere else that Warren was into that. That’s why I wanted to know what evidence you had about it.
As to Warren’s watering down the Gospel, I have also had some reservations about some of his theology. The church I attend had seriously considered using “The Purpose-Driven Church” as a church-wide study. The pastor and staff decided not to after discovering the financial cost of the total program from Warren’s ministry.
I have personally read “The Purpose Driven Life” and didn’t really see any bad theology in it. In fact, some of Warren’s analogies and explanations of how empty a life without Christ is, were very compelling. At least in the book he did give a clear message that all men are sinners in need of a Savior - without which one will never have true purpose for their lives.
However, having said that, a very well respected Christian minister I know said the video series that is part of the “Purpose Driven Church” study leaves out the message of needy sinners needing Christ as Savior. This was very disturbing to me. That’s also why I requested particular evidence you had of the claims you made about Warren watering down the Gospel.
I was pleasantly surprised of his open, direct interview/debate with Obama during the election campaign - but, since then, he has seemd to back off of a strong Biblical stand regarding homosexuality. He seemed enamored with Obama and opened his church up to him on other occasions. As a result, Obama was able to look quasi-religious and evangelical. Obama used Warren. This was disappointing to me as well.
Thanks for your opinion and imput.
He wouldn’t preach the Gospel to Barry Soetoro so what’s hopeful that he would suddenly awaken and preach the Gospel to these other Muslims?
“So to clarify my question, you believe that Christians as a whole will be deceived by the anti-Christ, or are you talking about those who claim to be Christians but really aren’t?”
Whether or not you asked the question HUH? There isn’t any real question that (people who consider themselves Christians) will look at the Anti(imitation)Christ as the real deal. I’ve read statistics that claim as many as 70 percent of Americans claim to be Christians. Do you think most of them are? How many of those claiming to be Christian actually make an effort to follow Christ? For that matter, how many of them actually believe in Christ? Far fewer understand that there are fallen angels or that evil apart from man exists. Fewer still know anything about scripture. The great Apostasy isn’t something in the future. It’s here. A lot of people, even people who claim to know Christ are going to fall away. As Paul said in Rom: 11:19-23, addressing believers, they were grafted in, and they could be grafted out while others who were grafted out, could be grafted back in again, speaking of Jews and Gentiles. In John 10:26-29, Jesus makes it clear that the sheep who can’t be snatched out of his hand are those who hear his voice and follow him. I’m afraid there are a great many people claiming to be Christian who are simply making a cultural identification. We also live in the age of so called, carnal Christianity, as if there could be such a thing. Christ isn’t an existential experience that they can look back on for assurance of salvation. Christ is used like an insurance policy that promises an eternal award after a life of sin. Those who think like that neither hear nor follow Christ, and when the Antichrist comes, they will be deceived. ...Whether or not you agree with my Arminianism, I hope this clarifies why I made my original post.
No, and that's why I asked my question the way I did. In your original post, you just said Christians. You did not make any differentiation between those who claim to be but aren't and those that truly belong to Christ.
Thank you for the clarification.
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